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Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by microcolonel »

scrollaway wrote: post #18
microcolonel wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point here is that a) he did everything right b) he did nothing wrong and c) it doesn't really matter what characters go into the name. I think the complaint is quite petty, and it doesn't really solve any problems. Approximately nobody is going to have a worse opinion of Arch Linux because of the content of a url in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, and it's basically a waste of time to address this as an issue.

> it's basically a waste of time to address this as an issue. It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it. Arch has hundreds of mirrors and dozens come and go every month. Dropping one takes less time than it took me to reply to you here.

> It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it.

If by "defend" you mean "not spend more money on registering yet another domain", then I'd say it's worth defending. A hundred dollars is worth at least a few emails, especially if it is at the expense of a productive community member, on behalf of some anonymous whiner.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by Famicoman »

Via detectives at reddit,

Here is the original complaint, https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=227998

And here is the admin's original request to use a mirror with the name mirror.cuntflaps.me where the loli.forsale mirror was ultimately accepted, https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/51870

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by zimpenfish »

viraptor wrote: post #15
JadeNB wrote: post #2

Is this anything but a fit of pique on the part of the maintainer of the mirror? It seems that the maintainer is mainly saying "because I have done many good things, no-one is allowed to complain about anything I do." It seemed that the notification was polite and professional, and made very clear that it involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand. (The free-speech issue seems to be a red herring;…

I'm tempted to say it could've been a provocation planned for some time. The original name for the mirror was cuntflaps: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/51870 and only changed after a request.

And my "they are clearly incapably of behaving professionally" gets a +1 buff.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by microcolonel »

zimpenfish wrote: post #20
microcolonel wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be making a huge mistake, and if I were at a higher station than you when you did that, I would be very close to booting you if could be argued as a net good or neutral to do so.

Why would I be making a huge mistake? They are clearly incapable of behaving professionally and, since the whole thrust of that thread is "Arch wants to behave professionally", booting them would align with that perfectly.

Maybe the laid-back, results oriented nature of Arch Linux is what got it here. The IRC and mailing list are openly hostile to people who do not read the manual, and yet it has consistently been the best goddamn Linux distro on the planet earth for the solid five years I've used it. It is on the backs of people like this that Arch Linux was built, and if that laissez faire atmosphere deteriorates, I suspect the productivity will deteriorate with it.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by viraptor »

microcolonel wrote: post #21
scrollaway wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's basically a waste of time to address this as an issue. It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it. Arch has hundreds of mirrors and dozens come and go every month. Dropping one takes less time than it took me to reply to you here.

> It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it. If by "defend" you mean "not spend more money on registering yet another domain", then I'd say it's worth defending. A hundred dollars is worth at least a few emails, especially if it is at the expense of a productive community member, on behalf of some anonymous whiner.

Domains don't cost hundreds of dollars if you really don't care about the name. You can find some for $5 a year for one which nobody needs to remember/type.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by scrollaway »

microcolonel wrote: post #21
scrollaway wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's basically a waste of time to address this as an issue. It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it. Arch has hundreds of mirrors and dozens come and go every month. Dropping one takes less time than it took me to reply to you here.

> It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it. If by "defend" you mean "not spend more money on registering yet another domain", then I'd say it's worth defending. A hundred dollars is worth at least a few emails, especially if it is at the expense of a productive community member, on behalf of some anonymous whiner.

Nobody is forcing the person in question to host an arch mirror. Being included in the official mirror list does not come without rules and if one of these rules is "don't have a shitty domain name", I don't see the problem.

PS, domain names on non-egregious TLDs are 5-10 bucks a year.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by smhost »

konart wrote: post #19
JadeNB wrote: post #2

Is this anything but a fit of pique on the part of the maintainer of the mirror? It seems that the maintainer is mainly saying "because I have done many good things, no-one is allowed to complain about anything I do." It seemed that the notification was polite and professional, and made very clear that it involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand. (The free-speech issue seems to be a red herring;…

> involved no personal judgement, only a response to user demand So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended? Why nobody is banning Rammstein concerts then? I'm pretty sure many people will find band's name offencive.

> So it is okay to remove stuff just because somebody was offended?

Yep.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by microcolonel »

scrollaway wrote: post #26
microcolonel wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's just as much of a waste of time to defend it. If by "defend" you mean "not spend more money on registering yet another domain", then I'd say it's worth defending. A hundred dollars is worth at least a few emails, especially if it is at the expense of a productive community member, on behalf of some anonymous whiner.

Nobody is forcing the person in question to host an arch mirror. Being included in the official mirror list does not come without rules and if one of these rules is "don't have a shitty domain name", I don't see the problem. PS, domain names on non-egregious TLDs are 5-10 bucks a year.

Pissing on people who spend their hard earned cash and precious mortal time on serving your community is a great way to ruin it. I hope nobody ever has to deal with your leadership.

I don't see the value in punishing community members for the high crime of being autistic weeaboos.

Re: Arch Linux Mirror Loli.forsale Removed After Name Complaint

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Post by chii »

konart wrote: post #27
Theizestooke wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not 4chan but japanese manga & anime culture.

The origin is russian though.

The term is indeed from a russian book named lolita, but the term 'loli' has evolved via anime to mean something a bit different than the original.
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