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Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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This is why its always possible to hire great developers - because some companies and hiring managers think that people should be not just great developers, but willing to jump through ridiculous hoops to work there. If you want to hire people, drop the attitude of "we don't want people who aren't willing to prove how much they want to work here". Instead, give them every reason to want to work for you.

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Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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This is why its always possible to hire great developers - because some companies and hiring managers think that people should be not just great developers, but willing to jump through ridiculous hoops to work there. If you want to hire people, drop the attitude of "we don't want people who aren't willing to prove how much they want to work here". Instead, give them every reason to want to work for you.

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Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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I don't understand why they don't hand out options on a more continuous base the way executives get them. It seems everything is geared towards staying 1-4 years and then jumping ship.

Many (if not most) companies do stock refreshes annually, don't they?

Yes, but after the initial grant has vested entirely your opportunities for growth are limited.

Here's an example - say I'm hired with 1000 units of stock over four years. Each year I receive a refresher grant of 250 units of stock, again vesting over four years. Once I reach Year 4, my stock compensation stabilizes, assuming my refreshers remain the same (I'm am obviously grossly simplifying - you could be promoted and get larger grants, the company could do badly and your dollar value be significantly reduced).

But what you can do, and what the parent is alluding to, is jump ship around year 3-4 and get the company you're going to match your current amount of outstanding stock, meaning your initial grant becomes much higher, and your refreshers do too. At least, that's the idea. It's worked for me.

Additionally, although personally I did very well on my refresher grants I know other people at my employer did not. So that's another factor.

Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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Tesla?

That seems to fit: 1.) move from Palo alto to east bay 2.) manufacturing company with software engineers 3.) lots of people leaving 4.) CEO changing the world. However, I'm sure many companies meet that.

Bingo. The company was Rocket Science Games. https://web.archive.org/web/20121113115319/https://engineeri... says Blank was involved, and one of Musk's internships was also there according to the Musk bio and a few sites listing his internships (simultaneous with Pinnacle, apparently).

Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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Anyone have a guess as to what company this was?

My guess is square. The CFO went to stanford for an MBA, where the author taught. Neither CFO Tesla has had went to Stanford. Can't find anything about Dorsey working at one of the startups listed on the author's wikipedia page, but he seemed to have been involved with many so it would be unsurprising if it just wasn't listed there.

Musk worked at Rocket Science Games, a Steve Blank startup, almost two decades ago.

Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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Hmm. Really?! I worked for various large corporates, studied for a MBA after my IT career; found out about ethics and other ontologically speaking really valuable things in life hence left. But really, besides personal spectives and/or ego's.

:: Henry Mintzberg basically said it all in 2004 already: https://books.google.nl/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=zsYAeVgwHDQC&oi=f... ISBN-13: 978-1576753514, ISBN-10: 1576753514 " Managers Not MBAs: A Hard Look at the Soft Practice of Managing and Management Development"

Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many (if not most) companies do stock refreshes annually, don't they?

There's refreshes and then there's the speed of the vesting schedule. Some places offer a bunch to start, but very little after that, which means people tend to leave once they have vested all their options/RSUs. After the first year, sometimes your vesting schedule will be monthly, quarterly, twice a year, or once a year. As to why they don't allow everyone to be monthly - it's probably because they get to claw back…

> As to why they don't allow everyone to be monthly - it's probably because they get to claw back a fair amount of the equity if people leave.

I may be being a little cynical, but if you vest annually or bi-annually you can get a pretty good idea of when your employees are going to leave and use that to plan your crunch periods accordingly. People are rather unlikely to quit the month before the annual vesting date.

Re: Why Good People Leave Large Tech Companies

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Anyone have a guess as to what company this was?

Tesla?

While it may fit most of the criteria, I wouldn't say Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpennin were the visionary founders mentioned and Elon Musk and company tried to bring in adult supervision before Elon sunk enough of his own money into the company to just start running it himself.

Most of the narrative doesn't fit as this article presents it ( it might still be tesla, but you can assume the details are pretty one sided )

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