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YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Post by yorwba »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #15
DelightOne wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didnt cite examples where this is working. Sending them from pro to anti propaganda, assuming propaganda works, does work.

You didn't cite examples either, and I'm skeptical of the premise. If reddit started redirecting /r/the_donald links to anti-Trump propaganda, or Youtube started redirecting his own videos to anti-Trump propaganda, no matter how good that propaganda is, I don't believe you that you could change their mind. And those people aren't even radicalised.

I don't have any sources either, but I'm sure that there will be different reactions to such redirects, depending on the individual.

The hardened core will probably feel justified in their beliefs by the attempt to combat them and radicalize even quicker.

But more casual group members might actually change their mind if they are confronted with outside opinions, especially if they hadn't considered them before.

So whether this kind of propaganda is effective or not essentially depends on the makeup of the targeted group. I guess you could try measuring the effect by tracking engagement of the redirected. If they are truly radicalized, they are likely to leave; but if they are more open-minded, they might stay a little longer.

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Post by johnchristopher »

logicallee wrote: post #18

what's interesting is that Google has been doing this for some time! For the longest time I was curious what would happen if you did a specific but obviously wrong search such as "how do I poison someone and get away with it" or "how do I join ISIS without being caught" or something. Well as you can imagine for obvious reasons I did not do those searches! (To spell it out, I did not want them in my search history, an…

Have you tried without a profile and with another profile ?

I regularly search Google with questions I think another persona would ask (parents or project manager recently).

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Post by ricksharp »

StavrosK wrote: post #8
throw34away5 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also wonder if any religious video of any faith that calls for beating one's wife,inequality between men and women, death for non believers and homosexuals, antisemitism or female genital mutilation will also be counted as extremist video.

Even if the video calls for none of those, you mean? Of course, like you, I would quite like to see all Christian videos banned, but I'm afraid it might set a precedent.

Really, because we must censor ideas like "love your enemies" and "treat others the way you want to be treated"? (Matthew 5:44) (https://youtu.be/L0HhHLHLHaA)

I agree that abusers will use any name for their own means, but generalization of a group because of false persons who claim that group is never helpful.

Of course there are the false teachers who use Christianity for their own power (i.e. televangelist types), but there are also people who actually believe the great teachings like forgiveness and love one another. They are the ones who will pick you up when someone else has beaten you into the mud.

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Post by GhotiFish »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #16
kovalevlad wrote: post #2

That's all very well but perhaps they should also stop deleting Russian opposition videos/channels and justify that by claiming they contain extremist content when there is none. #FixRussianYoutube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZwAVsAgsLQ&t=190s

I got to agree with the other guy on this. Youtube is bound by the laws of whatever country they operate in. If they refuse to cooperate with the Russian gov they will be banned and some other service which does comply will take their place. If you want to #FixRussianYoutube you got to first #FixRussianGovernment.

I think your chances are doing that are slim. Maybe a better strategy is to not base our societal discourse on central points of control.

Maybe #FixInternet.

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Post by dangero »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

The other day I was considering commenting in a negative way about something the NSA tweeted, but a voice in my head said, "Do you really want to be put on a special surveilance list?" That's when I realized our freedoms are under threat by those that are tasked with defending them. Think what you will about the NSA, but they certainly have not gone out of their way to make clear to me they care about my freedoms. Lying to congress, private courts granting warrants via secret constitution interpretations -- something is very wrong here. I fear the NSA as an upstanding citizen and they seem to be OK with that.

Also more related to your comment the "don't watch ISIS videos it gives them power." I think it's misguided. Just out of curiousity I tracked down a couple of them online and it was very thought provoking. It did not make me fear ISIS more, but it did help me understand the situation more. Just not convinced intelligent people should avoid uncensored information collection, but there is so much being censored in the US right now and the media encourages you to not educate yourself on both sides.

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Post by alextheparrot »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

I get your point - we've slowly, and sometimes quite quickly, seen some of our rights eroded as a result of policies that are advertised as being anti-terrorist.

Speaking directly to this policy, though, isn't your man premise that blow oneself up is bad enough in a vacuum unsupported? Many of these videos are crafted by the terrorist organizations as a recruitment tool. Wouldn't th see organizations not create them if they didn't wield at least some power to actually recruit or radicalize? I don't think arguing that line is consistent, even if I agree that we shouldn't censor these videos.

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Post by wruza »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

What do we do with those who thinks and is dead sure that blowing himself up in a crowd is a good idea?

We all are able to see patterns, but seeing patterns is not what solves complex problems. When doctor cuts your rotten fingers and then it happens it didn't help to save an entire arm, there is a pattern too. What does this pattern tell us? Doc wants to cut all your limbs to be sure you're not leaving his clinic, right?

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Post by megous »

oelmekki wrote: post #10

Which also means journalists won't be able to access those videos as sources. Although, I'm not ready to call that a bad decision, because propaganda is indeed the biggest problem with ISIS. This is just treating the symptom, obviously (why do young people ever consider joining a terrorist group? Certainly not through youtube videos as the only factor), but also treating the symptom is ok if we try to solve the deepe…

Also normal people who just don't want to be fed the conclusions and sanitized images from the news outlets, and want to watch the actual thing in full length, compare information from multiple opposing sources, geolocate events, timestamp them, or whatever is up to their current fancy, to be able to form their worldview themselves also have a harder time. But that's nothing new, you already have to be quick, as links have been disappearing shortly after being posted for a long time.

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Post by gaius »

There is already suspicion that Google manipulated results for political ends: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/31/google_axes_eu_refe...

You might think "good, it was a stupid idea anyway" but what if next time it's something that you care about? It's a dangerous precedent to allow to be set.

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