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How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by eru »

samstave wrote: post #10
greenshackle2 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traffic during peak hours. Peak demand is what really matters for infrastructure.

Need to be able to store datafiles as youtube videos... e.g. ISO images in youtube vids... allowing for a view of a youtube vid to stream a download where, should everything be prioritized for vides/and youtube-google enuring play... that file transfers can be massive and fast even if neutrality BS occurs.

At least for Google Photos, they don't usually give you the exact same bytes back. (At a very basic level, that protects against some attacks and also against your scheme.)

Of course, you could add enough coding theory to make it work.

Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by slac »

tw04 wrote: post #12
deegles wrote: post #2

"one out of four bytes that are delivered to end users across the Internet originate from Google" Such a mind blowing statement. Wonder when (if) they'll hit one-in-three bytes.

What's mind blowing is that despite all that, they're still at the mercy of Comcast, Verizon, and at&t.

That is a very US centric view of the world. Google operates far beyond Comcast Verizon and AT&T.

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Post by sqeaky »

slac wrote: post #22
tw04 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's mind blowing is that despite all that, they're still at the mercy of Comcast, Verizon, and at&t.

That is a very US centric view of the world. Google operates far beyond Comcast Verizon and AT&T.

People in the US have a disproportionate amount of money so serving them ads provides Google disproportionate value.

Could they exist without the US market, Maybe, I don't know. But I can't imagine they want to go without it.

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Post by johnsmith21006 »

sofaofthedamned wrote: post #5
deegles wrote: post #2

"one out of four bytes that are delivered to end users across the Internet originate from Google" Such a mind blowing statement. Wonder when (if) they'll hit one-in-three bytes.

Facebook or Amazon may have a say in that, a lot of those 1 in 4 bytes are video from Youtube. That said, those bytes still need to be delivered, Google really don't have peers in this stuff, apart from maybe Facebook.

YouTube doubled in hours of video watched last year going from 500m to 1 billion hours daily. FB total video is 100m hours. So Google added 5x FB total. Netflix was about 128 million hours daily.

So Google should get to 1 out of 3 pretty quickly.

Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by komali2 »

I really wanted to understand this article. I tried wikipediaing and googling some of the things I didn't really get (Jupiter is a thing... ok and Andromeda.. riiiight). Then I got to the chart "Conceptually, here is how Espresso plugs into the Google networking stack:", which was totally unparseable by me. All the green things look the same, but one of them is the thing this article is about (Espresso, right?), and Google somehow is represented by a vague dark-grey blob... I just don't get it.

Can anybody help? Am I simply not technically competent enough to consume this article yet?

Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by trafficlight »

komali2 wrote: post #26

I really wanted to understand this article. I tried wikipediaing and googling some of the things I didn't really get (Jupiter is a thing... ok and Andromeda.. riiiight). Then I got to the chart "Conceptually, here is how Espresso plugs into the Google networking stack:", which was totally unparseable by me. All the green things look the same, but one of them is the thing this article is about (Espresso, right?), and…

I really hate the naming trend over the past 10-15 years of using common words for projects.

I can't really search for Espresso, or Jupiter, or Andromeda without additional qualifiers that I may not know yet.

Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by windowsworkstoo »

komali2 wrote: post #26

I really wanted to understand this article. I tried wikipediaing and googling some of the things I didn't really get (Jupiter is a thing... ok and Andromeda.. riiiight). Then I got to the chart "Conceptually, here is how Espresso plugs into the Google networking stack:", which was totally unparseable by me. All the green things look the same, but one of them is the thing this article is about (Espresso, right?), and…

I cant really help because Im not great at explaining things, but for some fundamentals, you need to understand BGP and label switching (MPLS).

The cleverness here is that they effectively turned their routers in label switchers, with the label traffic is sent to determined by backend infra, not the router itself. They still have to run this over BGP of course, as thats how the internet works but it is an interesting approach for optimizing return traffic routes.

Edit: espresso is the name of the stack they use to make the label switch decision, its not a protocol or industry standard

Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by komali2 »

trafficlight wrote: post #27
komali2 wrote: post #26

I really wanted to understand this article. I tried wikipediaing and googling some of the things I didn't really get (Jupiter is a thing... ok and Andromeda.. riiiight). Then I got to the chart "Conceptually, here is how Espresso plugs into the Google networking stack:", which was totally unparseable by me. All the green things look the same, but one of them is the thing this article is about (Espresso, right?), and…

I really hate the naming trend over the past 10-15 years of using common words for projects. I can't really search for Espresso, or Jupiter, or Andromeda without additional qualifiers that I may not know yet.

Heh, that for me culminated when windows released a ubuntu subsystem.

The names in order of popularity when it was originally announced (now they push for WSL)

1. Bash for Ubuntu on Windows

2. Windows Bash Shell

3. Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL)

Trying googling WSL - it's world surf league. Windows Bash Shell is impossible, so is Bash for Ubuntu on Windows. It's getting better as more and more articles are being written, but god almighty. I wouldn't be surprised if google is lending a helping hand with searches for WSL stuff.

Re: How Google Wants to Rewire the Internet

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Post by getemback »

mbreese wrote: post #19
rbranson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99% of Netflix bytes are largely served from Netflix's own CDN + a cadre of third party CDNs. The bytes to/from AWS isn't trivial by itself but relatively negligible compared to video traffic.

Right, I expect that the Netflix traffic numbers are for the last-mile only (CDN to customer). Google's numbers should be from a 1e100.net server to the customer across multiple networks (unless Youtube has some localized CDNs, which would complicate the math).

Google's CDN is huge and extensive. See https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure
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