Might be the announcements are so long winded to give people a chance to notice their train was mentioned and to start paying attention?
English as she isn’t spoke (Part 4)
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#22I'm reminded of the word de-plane, which replaced the perfectly serviceable disembark as the term of choice for telling passengers to get out. This happened shortly after the TSA took over and is a depressing reminder of such.
I think we as a society should go back to the simpler "get out".
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#23This mostly seems like "English as I don't like her spoken"; only pt. 2 (thanks to tapanjk (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14780499) !) seemed to describe any actual wrong language, as opposed simply to phrasing of which the author disapproved. With that said, I don't understand the complaint from pt. 4, recapitulated (as morinted (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14780372) points out) from pt. 3, about:
> you may hear that your train was “originally due to depart from Platform 4”, but “will now depart from Platform 6”. What’s “originally” doing there?
Surely 'originally' is serving exactly the purpose it claims to serve, of describing the state of affairs before the alteration? What would be a better word?
If the suggested alternative is to omit the description of the 'original' entirely: though I'm not much experienced with the London Underground, I know that, on the Amtrak, if I paid attention to every announcement I would go mad, so I have a subconscious routine that perks up conscious attention only when it detects something that seems likely to me. If I am waiting at Platform 4, I probably won't notice a random, unprefaced announcement about Platform 6; but I am much more likely to notice it if it points out that those of us at Platform 4 should be paying attention to it.
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#24"This train is no longer in passenger service" may be long-winded, but at least it's reasonably clear. Much better than the military equivalent, "the train has suffered an engineering casualty".
it also preempts the upset when the train leaves empty to go off to the depot/siding
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#25In France, there is a similar issue with the SNCF. More details in this (French) article:
http://transports.blog.lemonde.fr/2017/05/27/inoui-sncf-jarg...
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#26Genteelisms are a curse in Italy, where bureaucracy reaches levels unknown in the UK. One of my favourites, because of its utter, revealing stupidity, is the sporadic usage by some overzealous bureaucrat of the verb "to implement" (recently brought to Italian from English) with the wrong meaning of "increment". As in: "We're working to implement the number of bus rides from A to B". It's fun because you can clearly s…
I would like to bring to your attention (as an Italian) the recorded voice message now in use on highways when you pay the toll via credit card/bancomat (they are changing the readers from reading the magnetic band to reading the chip, so you have to insert the card in the reader and keep it inserted a few seconds until the flashing yellow leds become green) while a (very serious and authoritative sounding) female vo…
How does this relate to his point about genteelisms or using words that don't mean what the user thinks they mean?
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#27I'm reminded of the word de-plane, which replaced the perfectly serviceable disembark as the term of choice for telling passengers to get out. This happened shortly after the TSA took over and is a depressing reminder of such.
Another "plane word" is lavatory. While this is certainly an English word for a bathroom, I don't think I've ever heard it outside the context of an airplane.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to bring to your attention (as an Italian) the recorded voice message now in use on highways when you pay the toll via credit card/bancomat (they are changing the readers from reading the magnetic band to reading the chip, so you have to insert the card in the reader and keep it inserted a few seconds until the flashing yellow leds become green) while a (very serious and authoritative sounding) female vo…
How does this relate to his point about genteelisms or using words that don't mean what the user thinks they mean?
>How does this relate to his point about genteelisms or using words that don't mean what the user thinks they mean?
"Validazione" is not a word used by anyone outside some specific tech sectors or bureaucrats, a number of people would be perplexed about its meaning.
I guess in English is the same, would you use "Wait, validation is under way" or "Wait, reading the card" or "Wait, checking the card info".
There is an old (by now noone notices it but it was a thing when it was introduced) precedent with the verb "obliterare" which noone knew at the time it was introduced on buses.
A sign "E' obbligatorio procedere all'obliterazione del biglietto" is (was) something that noone could understand. [english]It is compulsory to proceed to the obliteration of the ticket[/english]
Obliterare is a perfectly valid verb, but it means - literally - to cancel a writing by drawing a line over it, and it was used only by academics and people of letters, while by extension it has a more common meaning of completely destroy/delete something/someone (from existence or from memory), etc.
At a given time it was "invented" to mean "insert the ticket into the machine so that it will be timestamped (or only stamped) and/or punched or have a corner cut in such a way that it won't be re-usable".
The same meaning of "to obliterate" for "to stamp" or " to punch" a ticket is in English as well, I believe.
And "the machine" was called "obliteratrice" of course.
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#29I'm reminded of the word de-plane, which replaced the perfectly serviceable disembark as the term of choice for telling passengers to get out. This happened shortly after the TSA took over and is a depressing reminder of such.
At some point also post-TSA, they started referring to us as "customers" instead of "passengers", which is similarly irritating and unnecessary. It's also less accurate, since I am always a passenger when I fly, but often not a customer, since someone else (perhaps an employer) purchased the ticket I'm flying under.