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U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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This will kill the rainforrest in Africa. Because the survivors will use it for bushmeat, wood, jobs, fields for cows, ...

A friend of mine once retitled a similar headline "U.S. Malaria Donations create an additional 2M starving Africans". I'll not add _my_ opinion of the matter, but I would love to see intelligent discussion on the matter. Is saving lives from disease just putting these same people on the path to starvation?

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've donated nets in the past, but I wonder if they ended up being used for fishing instead. If the reason for donating the nets is to save lives, then this is no bad thing, right? Those people are putting the nets to the most effective purpose they can find for them. No problem, I say. EDIT: OK, maybe these nets are suboptimal for fishing. Fine. If the people the nets are going to are in more desperate need of fis…

I'll save you the reading: - Mosquito nets have much smaller holes than normal fishing nets, so they trap almost all living organism, which is bad. - The nets are treated with toxic chemicals which kills the fish in the ponds/rivers, and might be dangerous for humans who drink the water. I would say it's bad.

Mosquito nets make poor fishing nets. Maybe a few fishermen have tried, failed, and passed that bit of knowledge along to other fishermen.

For the same reason no one uses rubbing alcohol in an automobile. Technically it's a hydrocarbon but using it in a ICE will lead to poor results.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

I know that malaria significantly impacts the ability of a family to be productive, perhaps with decreased malaria rates families will not be knocked out and with decreased child mortality families will shrink in the long term because more children will survive?

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

A bigger problem than the children being dead? For whom is this a problem? Why won't the people who didn't die of malaria be capable of feeding themselves? And given that the there are seven billion people in the world, the 0.03% increase in world food supply efficiency seems both possible and worth doing, does it not?

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

> Really, don't get me wrong You're offering a most disingenuous argument. Would a pediatric hospital in a relatively poorer town in the US ask the same question while treating a child?

Moving food to a poor town in the US from somewhere else is a trivial task. Africa has its own set of problems.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Really, don't get me wrong You're offering a most disingenuous argument. Would a pediatric hospital in a relatively poorer town in the US ask the same question while treating a child?

Moving food to a poor town in the US from somewhere else is a trivial task. Africa has its own set of problems.

> Moving food to a poor town in the US from somewhere else is a trivial task.

You're missing the point, but long as we are trivializing complex social issues, let's ask why there are 13 million hungry kids in the US. https://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/hunger-facts

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving food to a poor town in the US from somewhere else is a trivial task. Africa has its own set of problems.

> Moving food to a poor town in the US from somewhere else is a trivial task. You're missing the point, but long as we are trivializing complex social issues, let's ask why there are 13 million hungry kids in the US. https://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/hunger-facts

No need to ask: lack of nutritional education and income inequality.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

What's with the downvotes? The question is asked in good faith and it produced an interesting discussion. Would y'all prefer for the author to remain silent with his thoughts, and for the opposing arguments to remain untold?

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Now the devil's question: how are we going to feed all the people that survive because of this? Really, don't get me wrong, it's fantastic that lives are being saved. The amount of grief being spared by this, by not losing a child for so many families, is unimaginable. I am just wondering if we are not creating an even bigger problem by solving this problem before the other.

Not sure if it is ignorance that is making you to utter such words about Africa. Do you seriously think all African people are dying of hunger and waiting for food aid from your governments? Have you ever been to any African country? Majority of countries with food and hunger problems are those who are at war. Rest of us, citizens pf this wonderful and arable continent, can feed ourselves and don't need any food aid.

The only aid we need is for Western countries who sponsor African wars to stay away from Africa. I have been living in Africa since birth(35 years old). I have never seen anyone dying of hunger.

Re: U.S. Malaria Donations Saved Almost 2M African Children

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll save you the reading: - Mosquito nets have much smaller holes than normal fishing nets, so they trap almost all living organism, which is bad. - The nets are treated with toxic chemicals which kills the fish in the ponds/rivers, and might be dangerous for humans who drink the water. I would say it's bad.

> The nets are treated with toxic chemicals which kills the fish in the ponds/rivers, and might be dangerous for humans who drink the water. Are we at fault for handing them out without proper education? Do they know that these nets are laced with poison? I mean if it only hurt the people who are fishing, maybe I could live with it but it hurts everyone (kind of makes me think of second hand smoke but worse). Somethi…

No, it's a sensible trade off.

Go look up pyrethroid insecticides and malaria and then contemplate whether you'd rather risk sleeping in a treated net all the time or be sickened at length or maybe dead.

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