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Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by throwawayjgo »

netcoder wrote: post #20
bogomipz wrote: post #19

>"The department of Homeland Security initiated the ban in March. It came into effect covering all flights to U.S. destinations from 10 airports in the Middle East, including major travel hubs like Dubai, Abu Dabi and Dohar." So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 ai…

For international passengers during layover your personal baggage has to go through security check again before boarding next flight.

Isn't the main reason for the ban the fact that they were worried security checks would be unable to detect bombs in devices like laptops in the first place?

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by pyre »

vxxzy wrote: post #14
sschueller wrote: post #3

I don't understand why these bans are only for specific airlines. Maybe if the flights originate from specific airports which may have lax security. However the ban is also for flights to those destination originating from the US. If there was a way to turn a laptop into a bomb I am sure the terrorist would just jump on a local US aircraft.

I don't think it is so much about it being a "bomb". I'm gonna take a stab and say it may be related to the ability to take over the control system of the plane via a laptop/wifi [1]. It would make sense to some degree if the US knew that an airline had planes that were "unpatched". [1]: http://observer.com/2016/02/midair-hack-shows-the-dangers-of...

This just reminds me of this: http://dilbert.com/strip/1997-09-10

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by wildmusings »

bogomipz wrote: post #19

>"The department of Homeland Security initiated the ban in March. It came into effect covering all flights to U.S. destinations from 10 airports in the Middle East, including major travel hubs like Dubai, Abu Dabi and Dohar." So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 ai…

The government has made pretty clear over the last few months that the reason for the ban was intelligence that jihadist groups had made progress towards developing a laptop bomb. It is pretty reasonable for them to withhold details in order to protect sources and intelligence-gathering techniques.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by wildmusings »

throwawayjgo wrote: post #21
netcoder wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For international passengers during layover your personal baggage has to go through security check again before boarding next flight.

Isn't the main reason for the ban the fact that they were worried security checks would be unable to detect bombs in devices like laptops in the first place?

They are worried about security checks in those countries in particular.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by grenoire »

bogomipz wrote: post #19

>"The department of Homeland Security initiated the ban in March. It came into effect covering all flights to U.S. destinations from 10 airports in the Middle East, including major travel hubs like Dubai, Abu Dabi and Dohar." So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 ai…

The reason why that information is not disclosed is not because they don't want their citizens to know. They don't want others to know; that's when it would actually compromise the security.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by ceejayoz »

wildmusings wrote: post #23
bogomipz wrote: post #19

>"The department of Homeland Security initiated the ban in March. It came into effect covering all flights to U.S. destinations from 10 airports in the Middle East, including major travel hubs like Dubai, Abu Dabi and Dohar." So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 ai…

The government has made pretty clear over the last few months that the reason for the ban was intelligence that jihadist groups had made progress towards developing a laptop bomb. It is pretty reasonable for them to withhold details in order to protect sources and intelligence-gathering techniques.

It seems unlikely they'd withhold that intelligence from the other Five Eyes nations and NATO partners, but to my knowledge they haven't implemented the same restrictions.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by wildmusings »

ceejayoz wrote: post #26
wildmusings wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government has made pretty clear over the last few months that the reason for the ban was intelligence that jihadist groups had made progress towards developing a laptop bomb. It is pretty reasonable for them to withhold details in order to protect sources and intelligence-gathering techniques.

It seems unlikely they'd withhold that intelligence from the other Five Eyes nations and NATO partners, but to my knowledge they haven't implemented the same restrictions.

The UK has: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-laptop-ban-flights-explain...

The US and UK are obviously at higher risk of being targeted than most countries. We also don't know if the intelligence included information about the countries the jihadists intended to target.

Also, other governments may have come to different decisions about how to handle this risk. Some countries let a million people pour across their borders without identity checks, others don't. It may be surprising to some, but who and what you vote for matters.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by valuearb »

wildmusings wrote: post #23
bogomipz wrote: post #19

>"The department of Homeland Security initiated the ban in March. It came into effect covering all flights to U.S. destinations from 10 airports in the Middle East, including major travel hubs like Dubai, Abu Dabi and Dohar." So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 ai…

The government has made pretty clear over the last few months that the reason for the ban was intelligence that jihadist groups had made progress towards developing a laptop bomb. It is pretty reasonable for them to withhold details in order to protect sources and intelligence-gathering techniques.

Yes, lets put those laptop bombs in the hold.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by wildmusings »

valuearb wrote: post #28
wildmusings wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government has made pretty clear over the last few months that the reason for the ban was intelligence that jihadist groups had made progress towards developing a laptop bomb. It is pretty reasonable for them to withhold details in order to protect sources and intelligence-gathering techniques.

Yes, lets put those laptop bombs in the hold.

I believe that US-bound luggage has to go through special screening.

Re: US Lifts Laptop Ban on Etihad, Emirates and Turkish Airlines

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Post by joelrunyon »

bogomipz wrote: post #19

>"The department of Homeland Security initiated the ban in March. It came into effect covering all flights to U.S. destinations from 10 airports in the Middle East, including major travel hubs like Dubai, Abu Dabi and Dohar." So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 ai…

> So how would a ban at flights originating at these airports prevent someone from exploiting this on a flight with a layover in this airport i.e while the plane was in route to one of these 10 airports?

Have you been to a middle east hub? There's a specific security section you have to go through to get to the US bound flights - it's a completely different screening process and would be quite easy easy for them to check for laptops and get them checked as luggage.

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