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Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by krick »

ASpring wrote: post #11
ramshanker wrote: post #10

I just wonder, how much bandwidth these cars send home (Tesla HQ) as learning data.

Also curious about this. Tesla has the ability to to hoard millions of hours of driving experience per year. Data seems to trump all in ML applications so far and Tesla definitely has the most available to harvest. At the same time, Tesla is primarily video based and it is likely quite difficult to call home with gigabytes of video every night.

Is it possible to disable reporting? If, say, I'm not thrilled by idea telling the guys from Tesla where I'm heading to?

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by narrowtux »

jacquesm wrote: post #16
Roritharr wrote: post #13

I really wonder how the top-speed is on those cars in their various configurations. For me this is the deal breaker on all other "affordable" solutions thus far.

I don't think any car I've ever owned has spent more than a minute or two at its top rated speed. Even acceleration is only important up to a minimum to get along in traffic. Even in Germany where cars are allowed to go pretty quick in some areas hardly any of them go at or near their rated top speed.

True, because it takes long to actually get to that speed.

But imagine if you'd like to drive 160 km/h on the highway all the time, you probably need a car that has a rated top speed of at least 180 km/h.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by ec109685 »

ramshanker wrote: post #10

I just wonder, how much bandwidth these cars send home (Tesla HQ) as learning data.

This explains how the learning works in general: https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/insideHPC/tesla-accelerate...

This one contains graphs of the bandwidth consumed if you allow them to upload: https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2017/06/14/tesla-au...

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by Robotbeat »

jacquesm wrote: post #15
Robotbeat wrote: post #8

20,000 cars per month by December is an incredibly ambitious goal. If achieved, they have a very good chance of getting their 500,000 cars in 2018, something that virtually everyone (including myself) thought could not be done. So two things: 1) If you don't have a dog in this race, wait and see if Tesla really does achieve these goals. Outrageous claims require strong evidence. 2) If you're a competitor, now is not…

> Tesla’s Model S outsells Mercedes S-Class, Porsche Panamera, and BMW 6/7 Series combined in the US Those cars are not even in the same class, of course Tesla would outsell them. Compare sales of the model S in Germany with the C class, BMW 3 (or maybe the 5) and just forget about Porsche. Other cars you could compare it with are larger sedans of the premium variety Japanese manufacturers (Toyota -> Lexus, Nissan ->…

And yet, by all appearances, the Model S /is/ cutting into S-class sales.

Whether the experience is exactly the same or not is irrelevant. If you're a luxury car maker, you're already feeling this; it's not a hypothetical.

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Post by FireBeyond »

jacquesm wrote: post #15
Robotbeat wrote: post #8

20,000 cars per month by December is an incredibly ambitious goal. If achieved, they have a very good chance of getting their 500,000 cars in 2018, something that virtually everyone (including myself) thought could not be done. So two things: 1) If you don't have a dog in this race, wait and see if Tesla really does achieve these goals. Outrageous claims require strong evidence. 2) If you're a competitor, now is not…

> Tesla’s Model S outsells Mercedes S-Class, Porsche Panamera, and BMW 6/7 Series combined in the US Those cars are not even in the same class, of course Tesla would outsell them. Compare sales of the model S in Germany with the C class, BMW 3 (or maybe the 5) and just forget about Porsche. Other cars you could compare it with are larger sedans of the premium variety Japanese manufacturers (Toyota -> Lexus, Nissan ->…

Not sure why you're downvoted, you're right.

Tesla S starts at $57K.

- Mercedes S starts at $97K - Panamera starts at $86K - 6/7 series start at $81K/$83K.

You're right, you're looking at mid-range Audis and the like. But having been in a 2016 S and several Audis the interior quality is hugely different. The Audi feels great, and the S felt like my eight year old Altima.

I don't want to sound like a hater - the Tesla is a lot of fun to drive, and I like electric, but still.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by johansch »

narrowtux wrote: post #20
jjallen wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The top-speed is really a prime concern for choosing your car? Interesting. Do you live in a no-speed-limit jurisdiction, such as Germany?

I do live in Germany, and it is a concern for me. The VW e-up costs 22k EUR and has a top speed of 130 km/h, the BMW i3 full electric version w/o range extender costs about 35k EUR and has a top speed of 150 km/h. This performance would be fine if I bought a car under 10k EUR but not for this price.

A car that can only drive at 130 km/h would be turn-off in many regions where the legal speed limit is lesser. There is such a thing as overtaking other cars safely (e.g. overtaking a car that drives 100 km/h on a 120 km/h road in Sweden).

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by bryanlarsen »

_ea1k wrote: post #7
Shank wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The configuration is a really good question. The website doesn't allow any customization right now because it's so early -- so I assume these 30 initial shipments are people who've been in contact with Tesla directly about being the first batch. Elon has said in the past that too much customization really put a damper on Model X, so I wouldn't be surprised if these are all nearly identical except for color. There's a…

Yeah, from what I am hearing the initial batches will only have a few options: - Wheels - Paint - "Autopilot"

According to the article wheels and paint are the only options. However auto pilot is probably a software only option at this point in time, not affecting the build complexity, so you might be right about that too.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by maxxxxx »

narrowtux wrote: post #22
jacquesm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think any car I've ever owned has spent more than a minute or two at its top rated speed. Even acceleration is only important up to a minimum to get along in traffic. Even in Germany where cars are allowed to go pretty quick in some areas hardly any of them go at or near their rated top speed.

True, because it takes long to actually get to that speed. But imagine if you'd like to drive 160 km/h on the highway all the time, you probably need a car that has a rated top speed of at least 180 km/h.

Most of the (gas engine) cars sold today can go 180.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by babyrainbow »

Robotbeat wrote: post #25
jacquesm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla’s Model S outsells Mercedes S-Class, Porsche Panamera, and BMW 6/7 Series combined in the US Those cars are not even in the same class, of course Tesla would outsell them. Compare sales of the model S in Germany with the C class, BMW 3 (or maybe the 5) and just forget about Porsche. Other cars you could compare it with are larger sedans of the premium variety Japanese manufacturers (Toyota -> Lexus, Nissan ->…

And yet, by all appearances, the Model S /is/ cutting into S-class sales. Whether the experience is exactly the same or not is irrelevant. If you're a luxury car maker, you're already feeling this; it's not a hypothetical.

>If you're a luxury car maker, you're already feeling this..

I am not sure. If I want a luxury car, I am going to get a Porsche.

End of story.

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