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Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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>Philips invented the cassette tape in 1962, first introducing it to music fans a year later. Thanks to its compactness, portability and sound quality, it quickly began to surpass the vinyl record in popularity. This seems suspect... According to this figure (going back to 1973 only) vinyl still far outpaced cassette sales until the mid-80s. http://blog.thecurrent.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2014...

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Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#22
post #17

Why not instead focusing on reinventing the LP? One side disc, large format, laser pickup, analog recording. Bring together the good parts from both LP and CD / DVD.

Because part of what they are selling is nostalgia, so making it into something 'new' is counterproductive.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#23
post #17

Why not instead focusing on reinventing the LP? One side disc, large format, laser pickup, analog recording. Bring together the good parts from both LP and CD / DVD.

Don't you get it? This class of audiofoolery actually values the imperfections of obsolete tech.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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post #10
post #5

>Philips invented the cassette tape in 1962, first introducing it to music fans a year later. Thanks to its compactness, portability and sound quality, it quickly began to surpass the vinyl record in popularity. This seems suspect... According to this figure (going back to 1973 only) vinyl still far outpaced cassette sales until the mid-80s. http://blog.thecurrent.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2014...

Man, these two charts side by side really show the total financial abuse/great move (depending on POV) that was the music CD and selling an entire album at once to people who only wanted a few songs. It was not the norm before nor after, just an outlier, but one that brought billions of dollars in. No wonder they fought so hard against downloading (both legal and illegal).

But they did sell CD singles. People just chose to buy the whole album. I suspect this is because a CD single was the exact same format as the album version and seemed a bit of a waste while 45rpm singles and LPs were physically distinct.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hipsters and fan-signalling. Its a means of being "more" of a fan. Not to say I disapprove just looking for means of explanation.

But your language choice means that you do disapprove. Clearly. That's like the classic of saying "no offense" after you realise it was actually a obviously offensive thing to say. It doesn't change anything and is a semantically meaningless statement, and you still were offensive. I dislike how HN'ers attach meaningless disclaimers like these at the end of every sentence they make because they're so afraid of gettin…

yes but I identify as a hipster, so.....

I dislike how people project into comments they read. For example YOU have projected that I am not confident in the comments I make because of how I suffix them. That's distasteful and if you want to experience the wrath of my will then you're more than welcome to a personal meet up. So, case in point: If I don't add disclaimers at the end people read their own meanings into what I say and people get mad at me even though I never meant what they thought I meant.

Disclaimers are a product of the universal effect of the internet where the reader could be almost anyone in the world. If I'm talking to people I can see the facial expressions of I do not add these disclaimers.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

hipsters and fan-signalling. Its a means of being "more" of a fan. Not to say I disapprove just looking for means of explanation.

Or nostalgia, or artwork, or the satisfying tactile feel of changing tracks with the needle, or...

... the despair you feel when you drop the needle by mistake and scratch you're favourite track. :-)

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

#28
post #9

I feel like this is what happens when you reach the enlightenment stage with technology. I have a phone with eight 64-bit CPU cores built with 10nm lithography, and I cook on cast iron. "New" or "old" doesn't matter. We have things that do things. Pick one.

Yeah, I definitely prefer the opposite. I cook my food with a WiFi enabled microwave and route all my phone calls through a cast-iron IBM 1401.

(What does "enlightenment stage" mean?)

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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post #10
post #5

>Philips invented the cassette tape in 1962, first introducing it to music fans a year later. Thanks to its compactness, portability and sound quality, it quickly began to surpass the vinyl record in popularity. This seems suspect... According to this figure (going back to 1973 only) vinyl still far outpaced cassette sales until the mid-80s. http://blog.thecurrent.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2014...

Man, these two charts side by side really show the total financial abuse/great move (depending on POV) that was the music CD and selling an entire album at once to people who only wanted a few songs. It was not the norm before nor after, just an outlier, but one that brought billions of dollars in. No wonder they fought so hard against downloading (both legal and illegal).

This is also interesting: https://hbr.org/2016/12/how-streaming-is-changing-music-agai...

Curiously, during cassette tape dominance in the early 90s album length was 12.5 tracks. This increased to 15.8 in 2003, as CDs dominated. It has declined again to 14.2 tracks.

They state,

"With subscription pricing and the ability to easily skip among artists (as opposed to per-album or per-song charges, which were the norm), streaming pushes users to listen to explore new artists. This has the potential to reduce the concentration of the very top artists and albums, while also helping music lovers find what economists refer to as the “long tail” of the industry."

// totally unrelated complaint: searching Google for the above chart was super frustrating, giving almost exclusively "what sounds best" results when I was trying to find sales figures. Searching for the HBR article I linked above (which I had read previously but forgotten details of) was equally fruitless on Google "average album length" and variations kept returning "what's the best length for an album" results. Had to switch to DDG to find the HBR article, and with the same search term it was the third result. WTF google?! I keep noticing less helpful results.

Re: Sony plans to make vinyl records again

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post #5

>Philips invented the cassette tape in 1962, first introducing it to music fans a year later. Thanks to its compactness, portability and sound quality, it quickly began to surpass the vinyl record in popularity. This seems suspect... According to this figure (going back to 1973 only) vinyl still far outpaced cassette sales until the mid-80s. http://blog.thecurrent.org/wp-content/blogs.dir/9/files/2014...

I don't know what criteria WaPo used but I think if you include blank cassettes instead of just counting prerecorded releases, the tape media was much more popular than vinyl even before mid 1980s.

Kids were taping songs from the radio and sharing "mix tapes" in the 1970s. Boom boxes had dual-well cassette decks for easy tape-to-tape dubbing. Cars quickly migrated from 8-track to cassette tapes. (Obviously, a fragile needle & groove playback mechanism isn't going to work a well in a moving vehicle: https://www.google.com/search?q=vinyl+record+player+in+car&s...)

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