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How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

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Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

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I made a small tinder-like website to help me memorize the Kanji since it is my personal bottleneck now and it's working quite better than I expected:

https://core.cards/

It is based on spaced repetition and frequency lists to optimize what you learn (see the About page).

It has to be complemented with other learning methods of course. The required login is with github for sync with different devices.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

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I'm currently learning Japanese and what I've found is most apps designed around helping you learn focus around memorization of words out of context, and often the definitions provided are wrong, or the words antiquated. I haven't found an app that revolves around reading words in the context of example sentences, or a narrative. I find this to be the best way to learn a language.

Ah, I learned first going to normal classes and for me the experience was the exact opposite. Now I'm doing a lot of memorization, since it's one of the pillars for learning a language that I was lacking. I recommend trying to do both at the same time, but the good thing about learning a lot of vocabulary and some grammar is that you can start reading on your own and then learn while having fun. I am reading Yotsubato for example, which is widely recommended for beginners.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

#23

The easiest way to learn Japanese, at least spoken Japanese, is to find a Japanese boyfriend or girlfriend. And to live away from other gaijin.

That is how I learned English and I totally agree! However in Japanese he way women and men speak is quite different, so I've been told several times that some expressions were "wrong" for me to use.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

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I'm currently learning Japanese and what I've found is most apps designed around helping you learn focus around memorization of words out of context, and often the definitions provided are wrong, or the words antiquated. I haven't found an app that revolves around reading words in the context of example sentences, or a narrative. I find this to be the best way to learn a language.

Not sure if they have an app, but the "minna no nihongo" books I had at university in Japan when I was there for a semester (10+ years ago) taught with contextual scenarios, as you said.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

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I'm currently learning Japanese and what I've found is most apps designed around helping you learn focus around memorization of words out of context, and often the definitions provided are wrong, or the words antiquated. I haven't found an app that revolves around reading words in the context of example sentences, or a narrative. I find this to be the best way to learn a language.

The best "app" I've found is a DS game designed for Japanese speakers : https://www.nowpro.co.jp/menu/products/game/kanzen/

Everything is in context, it has a practice portion for things you needed help on, you can make lists of vocab, it tests for kanji writing as well as reading, and the zatsugaku challenge has lots of interesting things going on.

I haven't found any other tool to be even in the same league

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

#26

I'm currently learning Japanese and what I've found is most apps designed around helping you learn focus around memorization of words out of context, and often the definitions provided are wrong, or the words antiquated. I haven't found an app that revolves around reading words in the context of example sentences, or a narrative. I find this to be the best way to learn a language.

For learning vocabularly and grammar in context, I've found TPR (Total Physical Response) to be really effective. I've written about it before here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13910080

I much prefer that method over things like flashcards, Anki, SuperMemmo, etc.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

#27

I'm currently learning Japanese and what I've found is most apps designed around helping you learn focus around memorization of words out of context, and often the definitions provided are wrong, or the words antiquated. I haven't found an app that revolves around reading words in the context of example sentences, or a narrative. I find this to be the best way to learn a language.

Ah, I learned first going to normal classes and for me the experience was the exact opposite. Now I'm doing a lot of memorization, since it's one of the pillars for learning a language that I was lacking. I recommend trying to do both at the same time, but the good thing about learning a lot of vocabulary and some grammar is that you can start reading on your own and then learn while having fun. I am reading Yotsubat…

I think if you already know to read/know the basics, learning vocab is fine. That's why SAT prep is a lot of vocab memorization, but even then you'd have to know how the word is used in a sentence.

Learning from scratch, I think vocab is better memorized in context.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

#28
I posted this before,

The best app I used to learn Hiragana, Katakana and JLPT N5/N4 Kanji was "Kanji Study"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Chase+Colbur...

Though I do agree with the other threaded replies about being out of context. You don't learn the grammar, you just learn the immediate meaning/subject of the sentence and then kinda guess what it really means.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

#29

The easiest way to learn Japanese, at least spoken Japanese, is to find a Japanese boyfriend or girlfriend. And to live away from other gaijin.

That is how I learned English and I totally agree! However in Japanese he way women and men speak is quite different, so I've been told several times that some expressions were "wrong" for me to use.

This is very important.

Men should at least have some interaction with other native male speaker otherwise they'll talk like women and that will hurt them socially.

Re: How I learned Japanese: Interview about habits and learning Japanese in Japan

#30
Tip: grab a movie with slow-to-moderately paced dialogue and varied speaking styles like ghost in the shell innocence from 00:09:30 to 00:20:00 ish. read the subtitle first. Open the srt file and read it. Watch the episode with or without the subtitle so you know what's going on, and cuz the movie is beautiful. Next rip the mp3 or aac of that section of the movie with some added volume, i used 10db.

Now listen to this every night right before bed, and try to parrot off whatever they are saying verbatim. comprehension has no relevance. Just repeat it. Rewind if you want. Make a game out of it. 'Im gonna do my best to make this exact combination of noises with my mouth. dont try to do too much at once. 5-30minute spurts are a good range. It should not be the center of your day, at first, now matter how bad you want to learn. a good rule of thumb is u should spend about as much time as it takes for you to do your morning bathing and hygene ritual.

Add it to your music playlists so it catches you off guard. hunt down some more pieces of films you like and grab the audio of those. alternate between a few audios. adding them incrementally 1 3 5 5 5 5 5 5 10 20

If you find any good japanese audios, let me know!

Source: i work with language learning

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