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Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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This reminds me actually a lot of Jiro Ono (famed sushi-maker). "Once you decide on your occupation, you must immerse yourself in your work. You have to fall in love with your work. Never complain about your job. You must dedicate your life to mastering your skill. That's the secret of success and is the key to being regarded honorably."

Sounds a lot like he was forcing himself to do the work in order to succeed and to be "regarded honorably".

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Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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It's great to see people like him and others like messersmiths such as Cut Brooklyn, swordsmakers, etc. continue the tradition of hand-made precision[1] products and doing it themselves rather than designing and then farming out the work to others or automating the process. It is, though, a kind of double edged sword. On the one hand they continue centuries-long traditions, on the other hand they get coöpted by hipst…

The watchmaker is selling his watches for between $45k and $250k and producing one a year on average so yes, he'll need rich customers. I suspect that there may be a different market in Japan though - perhaps older and more traditional people. Sooner or later he will need to take on an apprentice - it would be nice if he can start a school like that. You mentioned electronics, and the Japanese tradition of craftsmen…

That is not that much of an income taking into the skill going into these watches. Wonder if he has to deal with much repairs and returns?

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's down. No need for the anti JavaScript task force here.

I remember at some point on HN those sorts of comments were reasonably well-voted, and now they litter the bottom of any thread they appear in. I wonder when that changed.

Pardon the snark, but: it's no longer 2010. Javascript isn't an option anymore.

I don't like this either, and I personally run a javascript blocker (which makes the internet much more enjoyable, imho), but I absolutely recognize that this is not the optimal way to view the internet. I also use react on all of my frontends.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The watchmaker is selling his watches for between $45k and $250k and producing one a year on average so yes, he'll need rich customers. I suspect that there may be a different market in Japan though - perhaps older and more traditional people. Sooner or later he will need to take on an apprentice - it would be nice if he can start a school like that. You mentioned electronics, and the Japanese tradition of craftsmen…

That is not that much of an income taking into the skill going into these watches. Wonder if he has to deal with much repairs and returns?

I agree that the income is (relatively) modest compared to the training time and skill level involved. I suspect that the income could grow organically in the future with apprentices &c.

I'd imagine a 'return' would be a trip to the chap's house and personal attention until the watch was working properly. My old hand-assembled clockwork camera (a mass produced item compared to the mechanisms in the OA) has worked faultlessly for around 15 years. And I bought it second hand then.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds a lot like he was forcing himself to do the work in order to succeed and to be "regarded honorably".

Do you interpret that as positive or negative?

That's a tough question. I think it would be best to not have to "force yourself" and just go with your inner flow, however that might be a fantasy for anything other than pure consumption.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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Well... that's the first I've every heard of seasonal time. That's amazing. http://museum.seiko.co.jp/en/knowledge/wadokei/huteijihou/in...

Unequal hours were normal in the era of astrolabes...

"It should also be noted that in the middle ages the time of day was usually expressed as the part of the day or night that had passed. That is, sunrise was the beginning of the 1st hour of the day, noon was the end of the 6th hour and sunset was the end of the 12th hour of the day and the beginning of the 1st hour of the night. The length of the hour changed during the year with the amount of change depending on the latitude."[1]

It was the advent of mechanical clocks that regularised the hours. The difference was less the nearer to the equator your city was as well.

[1] https://www.astrolabes.org/pages/uses.htm

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's down. No need for the anti JavaScript task force here.

I remember at some point on HN those sorts of comments were reasonably well-voted, and now they litter the bottom of any thread they appear in. I wonder when that changed.

In the context of aggregators such as HN/reddit, complaining about the design of the articles' sites is a form of bikeshedding.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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Anyone know if there's a mirror somewhere? Hackernews' "Eye of Sauron" affect seems to have nobbled the site.

Is that really a fitting metaphor, though? Because the Eye of Sauron never stopped anyone from going into Mordor or from going on with their own business. It just looked ominious. Whereas HN submissions actually crash the websites they're pointing to.

I've only seen the movies (and read the wiki too), so I could be wrong.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

#29
post #6

This reminds me actually a lot of Jiro Ono (famed sushi-maker). "Once you decide on your occupation, you must immerse yourself in your work. You have to fall in love with your work. Never complain about your job. You must dedicate your life to mastering your skill. That's the secret of success and is the key to being regarded honorably."

Sounds a lot like he was forcing himself to do the work in order to succeed and to be "regarded honorably".

Well, given enough effort, a person actually passionate about his work is indistinguishable from a person just faking it, which is also indistinguishable from a person who just does whatever - but for whatever reason is curious enough to try and get to the bottom of it.

Can't say that you can really tell what's on his mind.

Re: Masahiro Kikuno, Japanese Independent Watchmaker

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not that much of an income taking into the skill going into these watches. Wonder if he has to deal with much repairs and returns?

I agree that the income is (relatively) modest compared to the training time and skill level involved. I suspect that the income could grow organically in the future with apprentices &c. I'd imagine a 'return' would be a trip to the chap's house and personal attention until the watch was working properly. My old hand-assembled clockwork camera (a mass produced item compared to the mechanisms in the OA) has worked fau…

To add to your comment, from what I know of the independent watch industry, it's exceedingly difficult to branch off on your own as a watchmaker and survive long term. Those apprentices need salaries after all. It seems to take not just incredible technical and artistic ability, but a knack for business and entrepreneurship as well. In addition, the independent watchmaking brands tend to have so much of their prestige wrapped up in their namesake's persona, rightfully so in my opinion, that it makes it difficult for them to survive once they are no longer able to lead the company.

Also, I believe that even amongst the highest echelons of independent watchmakers, few are able to survive on their brand alone and rely heavily on either restoration work, work for larger more established brands, or a combination of the two. Even guys like Dufour and Voutilainen, two of the most respected independents in the watch world, partake in outside work for the big brands like Patek, VC, and AP.

If anyone is interested this is a post on a fairly recent visit to Beat Haldimann's workshop[1]. One of my favorite articles on these kinds of visits is from 2006 and involves a visit to the home/atelier of a former French kickboxing champion turned watchmaker[2].

[1]http://www.watchprosite.com/independents/a-true-discovery-my...

[2]http://www.watchprosite.com/richard-mille/alone-with-the-rm0...

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