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The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by moneytide1 »

tlb wrote: post #18
moneytide1 wrote: post #16

While I do agree with this article's identification of the primary utility of crytpocurrencies, we should consider the optimizations that it can provide through a more effective use of resources. I'll go ahead and TL;DR here before the succeeding wall of text: Crypto currency will result in a net gain of useful resources by using pulses of electrical current. Silver and gold are more useful for their elemental proper…

This problem is also solved by fiat currency.

Certainly, but crypto has the advantage of being counterfeit-proof.

Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by majewsky »

d0ne wrote: post #4

"To truth only a brief celebration of victory is allowed between the two long periods during which it is condemned as paradoxical, or disparaged as trivial." - Arthur Schopenhauer, 1819

I wonder which truths he's referring to there, considering how every truth that was already known in that time seems even more trivial today. In other words: Which truths were just passing the threshold from paradoxical to trivial?

(Or maybe he's just referring to political truths which are coming to light at about the same pace at all times.)

Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by ue_ »

strgrd wrote: post #20
moneytide1 wrote: post #16

While I do agree with this article's identification of the primary utility of crytpocurrencies, we should consider the optimizations that it can provide through a more effective use of resources. I'll go ahead and TL;DR here before the succeeding wall of text: Crypto currency will result in a net gain of useful resources by using pulses of electrical current. Silver and gold are more useful for their elemental proper…

> These concepts (especially Ethereum) are the digital manifestations of the theory of democracy - unhindered by loopholes, corruption, indecision, and private-interests. LOL https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud/

>These concepts (especially Ethereum) are the digital manifestations of the theory of democracy - unhindered by loopholes, corruption, indecision, and private-interests.

The kind of democracy where having more money means you get more votes, which is the kind of democracy almost nobody would want to live in lest someone has more money than them. I don't know the word for such a thing, but it sounds barbaric, yet I've seen it seriously proposed.

Taking "vote with your wallet" to the extreme.

Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by rama_dan »

_jal wrote: post #7
CJKinni wrote: post #2

I couldn't tell when this was written. It appears to be from 1993: http://www.alamut.com/subj/ideologies/manifestos/cryptoanarc... Edit: See comments below. Turns out it's from 1988.

Yep. I remember when it was published. I was on the Cypherpunks list back then, and it was a fascinating group for a while. Tim May was a vocal, eloquent proponent of anarcho-capitalism[1], and believed that crypto and the net were crucial tools that would tip the balance of power between the individual and the state, cause an erosion of tax-collection powers, and eventually tip the world into a mode of 'voluntary' i…

> a mode of 'voluntary' interaction that others, myself included, argued is indistinguishable from feudalism

Good thing you've got The State extorting and enslaving you then, to protect you from that "feudalism".

Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by neaden »

moneytide1 wrote: post #21
tlb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This problem is also solved by fiat currency.

Certainly, but crypto has the advantage of being counterfeit-proof.

I have never in my life been concerned about counterfeit dollars. While I may have unknowingly handled one at some point it's never come up or negatively impacted me making that benefit marginal at best.

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Post by vippy »

rama_dan wrote: post #24
_jal wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I remember when it was published. I was on the Cypherpunks list back then, and it was a fascinating group for a while. Tim May was a vocal, eloquent proponent of anarcho-capitalism[1], and believed that crypto and the net were crucial tools that would tip the balance of power between the individual and the state, cause an erosion of tax-collection powers, and eventually tip the world into a mode of 'voluntary' i…

> a mode of 'voluntary' interaction that others, myself included, argued is indistinguishable from feudalism Good thing you've got The State extorting and enslaving you then, to protect you from that "feudalism".

Good thing you've got The State to provide a mechanism for non-owner interests to be represented.

Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by loup-vaillant »

ue_ wrote: post #23
strgrd wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These concepts (especially Ethereum) are the digital manifestations of the theory of democracy - unhindered by loopholes, corruption, indecision, and private-interests. LOL https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereumfraud/

>These concepts (especially Ethereum) are the digital manifestations of the theory of democracy - unhindered by loopholes, corruption, indecision, and private-interests. The kind of democracy where having more money means you get more votes, which is the kind of democracy almost nobody would want to live in lest someone has more money than them. I don't know the word for such a thing, but it sounds barbaric, yet I've…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

Re: The Crypto Anarchist Manifesto (1988)

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Post by dredmorbius »

komali2 wrote: post #26
hownottowrite wrote: post #15

And the follow-up: The Cyphernomicon (1994) http://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.t... Ah memories...

Reminds me of the title my favorite book: cryotonomicon. Highly recommend it.

Typo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon

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