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Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by mschuster91 »

jedmeyers wrote: post #8
Preemo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured because it was a fairly in-depth analysis of the footage, it was worth posting to the HN community. I'm glad you found it interesting.

I found the reading and especially watching experience to be sub par on the iphone. No way to pause/rewind the clips, no complete videos to review, just carefully prepared "analysis" for digestion in a certain way.

> I found the reading and especially watching experience to be sub par on the iphone.

Don't complain to the NYT, go complain at Apple. It's Apple's fault that in mid-2017, there is STILL no way for inline videos in ordinary HTML5 web sites.

But, I admit, there's one single huge advantage: iOS devices are not hit with sometimes dozens of megabytes of traffic due to news sites auto-loading/playing videos, or worse, ad videos...

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by mschuster91 »

Keyframe wrote: post #19

Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?

Well, that happens when a dictator visits a wannabe dictator. Erdogan and his goons obviously thought they'd be let off without any consequences for this - and indeed they were right.

And I'm sure there won't be any consequences in the future - it's not a Trump thing to anger like-minded friends.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by werewolf359 »

In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456

a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line.

Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan.

This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you can't say it's "proof" he ordered the attack. But come on.

Re: Video Analysis of Erdogan's security detail brawl in Washington

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Post by dmix »

werewolf359 wrote: post #23

In this video of the attack: https://twitter.com/MahirZeynalov/status/865301089867923456 a bodyguard is seen talking to someone in the back of a car. That bodyguard nods to another bodyguard, who then walks towards the protest. The attack begins the second he arrives at the line. Later, the person in the back of the car gets out. It's Erdogan. This video didn't get as much press as it should have, I suppose since you…

Would Ergodan's goons (all 10 of them) go into this confrontation without his (or his lead security guards) consent? I know from various stories/documentaries that US Secret Service presidential protection details are extremely tightly controlled. There would never be spontaneous involvement in the protest unless they were immediately threatened. Which they clearly aren't in this video.

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Post by spodek »

Keyframe wrote: post #19

Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?

We can't change the past, but as an American, my question is what will my government do to protect its citizens and how will it obtain justice for them. Will it even try?

Let's hope the fourth estate holds the first three accountable.

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Post by Kenji »

anigbrowl wrote: post #12

Top-notch editing work and presentation, really impressive. Don't want to get diverted into politics but I was appalled by not only the incident itself but the fact that Turkey then summoned the US ambassador in Ankara to complain about DC police trying to break up the fight. This is not a healthy sign for the future.

>Don't want to get diverted into politics

I don't think this has much to do with politics. If you're right, left or center, libertarian or authoritarian, doesn't matter, it's basic morality that this unwarranted aggression is wrong and must have consequences. If I was the president under which such a thing happened, I would make sure the consequences are severe enough that it would never happen again under my term.

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Post by santaclaus »

> He repeatedly kicked Ms. Usoyan, 34, as she lay on the ground. According to New Jersey records, Mr. Yildirim is 50 and manages three companies in that state.

Mr. Yildrim does not appear to have diplomatic immunity, so why aren't assault and battery charges being levied against him?

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Post by pfooti »

Keyframe wrote: post #19

Great analysis, but I must ask the obvious question. US citizens attacked by foreign entities on US soil. What gives?

Not only that, but some of the "civilian" folks in the video (towards the bottom of the article) are just plain US citizens and residents. That they haven't been arrested yet either is pretty astounding.
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