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Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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Are we ready yet, to say that everything that's been predicted about this stuff has come true?

Mass information gathering and mass classification of government information has led to, AFAICT, every accide tal breach and malicious actor scenario the "paranoid" privacy advocates said it would.

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One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Is there really any threshold, and they're just waiting to see if we reach it? I'm really starting to believe that there's no limit at all. It's the proverbial frog in hot water.

Yep. Congress and the courts regularly find it an excessive abuse of power whenever they are affected by it personally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/03/12...

Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Is there really any threshold, and they're just waiting to see if we reach it? I'm really starting to believe that there's no limit at all. It's the proverbial frog in hot water.

One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive?

Yes, and it's happened before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

The LE and intelligence agencies just go back to doing exactly what they were doing, with zero accountability as usual, and nothing really changes. Except they get a little bit better at covering their tracks.

Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Is there really any threshold, and they're just waiting to see if we reach it? I'm really starting to believe that there's no limit at all. It's the proverbial frog in hot water.

Yep. Congress and the courts regularly find it an excessive abuse of power whenever they are affected by it personally. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/03/12...

The systematic benefits in US society are dispersed from the top down, and its sacrifices emerge from the bottom up.

Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Is there really any threshold, and they're just waiting to see if we reach it? I'm really starting to believe that there's no limit at all. It's the proverbial frog in hot water.

If I were in charge of an intelligence agency, I imagine the most interesting targets of surveillance would be congresspeople and judges.

The people most able to take your surveillance toys away.

Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Is there really any threshold, and they're just waiting to see if we reach it? I'm really starting to believe that there's no limit at all. It's the proverbial frog in hot water.

One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Yes, and it's happened before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee The LE and intelligence agencies just go back to doing exactly what they were doing, with zero accountability as usual, and nothing really changes. Except they get a little bit better at covering their tracks.

Now consider how bad it had to get before the Church Committee was convened.

Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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One wonders: is there ANY point at which the Congress or even the Courts will step in and say that the abuse has been excessive? Is there really any threshold, and they're just waiting to see if we reach it? I'm really starting to believe that there's no limit at all. It's the proverbial frog in hot water.

If I were in charge of an intelligence agency, I imagine the most interesting targets of surveillance would be congresspeople and judges.

Yeah, I think J Edgar Hoover figured this out early in his reign.

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> Unsurprisingly, having the rule of law applied even in the pursuit of those who seek to end it is smeared by those who Please don't post grandiose ideological rhetoric here. It's flamebait, and we're trying to avoid what that leads to.

I've mentioned it before, but it seems that the mods only enforce this rule (and similar ones) very selectively: precisely those times that "grandiose ideological rhetoric" disagrees with groupthink. This comment is no more grandiose, ideological, or rhetorical than hundreds I've seen recently on a myriad of topics. I think the very notion of "flamebait" is an Orwellian euphemism for not agreeing with popular sentime…

I would agree wholeheartedly.

Re: Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data with private parties

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'“If we require our agents to write a full justification every time think about if you wrote a full justification every time you used Google. Among other things, you would use Google a lot less,” a lawyer told the court.'

Wow. Of course performing a search through such private information should be done with far more care than is taken in a typical Google search. Except to this guy.

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