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Ask HN: What would you like to see included in a 21st Century Bill of Rights?

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If the 2nd Amendment is for A) self-defense without the government, or B) eventual resistance against the government itself, then surely it should be interpreted to protect strong encryption.

Agreed. The wording of the 2nd amendment doesn't lend itself to encryption though which could be an issue.

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#23
Freedom of communication. In other words, "unreasonable search and seizure" extended to all communications. The same caveats - the authorities should be required to obtain an individual and targeted warrant before being allowed to (attempt to) intercept, and this should be granted only upon reasonable suspicion of a crime as determined by a judge.

If they fail to intercept, they could always get warrants to secretly surveil the suspects, swap or backdoor their hardware, etc.

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#24

If the 2nd Amendment is for A) self-defense without the government, or B) eventual resistance against the government itself, then surely it should be interpreted to protect strong encryption.

Agreed. The wording of the 2nd amendment doesn't lend itself to encryption though which could be an issue.

I hadn't ever really thought of this, but cryptography has sometimes been considered a "military munition" for purposes of restricting export: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

Is there any existing jurisprudence defending citizen access to cryptography on 2nd Amendment grounds?

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I can't answer this question, but just to put it in context, the United Nation'a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, put together after World War II, is a truly beautiful document. I had never read it or really knew anything about it, but if you read through it, it's an absolutely inspiring vision of humanity and of a world that one day might exist. It's wording is concise, clear, and beautiful. Here's the forewor…

When you know you don't have to enforce them you make make your declaration say anything you want. Real, worthwhile documents like the United States Constitution mean something because you can take it into a courtroom and enforce it. These things aren't real declarations because they don't provide any real rights that you can enforce, just fancy PR documents. Things like >Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, i…

The purpose is different. The declaration of human rights is not a concrete, enforceable document but a common moral and philosophical base line that people commit to and that can e.g. influence making (or applying) laws. It's less about where we are and more about where we want to go.

There are always people who bring in extreme cultural relativism to argue for all kinds of ethical transgressions: "Hey, who says child labor is exploitation? Maybe some people are fine with working 24/7 without pay and selling their children. What do we know?"

Human rights can be used to find arguments against stuff like that.

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I can't answer this question, but just to put it in context, the United Nation'a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, put together after World War II, is a truly beautiful document. I had never read it or really knew anything about it, but if you read through it, it's an absolutely inspiring vision of humanity and of a world that one day might exist. It's wording is concise, clear, and beautiful. Here's the forewor…

It uses transphobic wording such as "sex" instead of "gender". I wouldn't use it as an example of a good rights declaration.

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#27
First of all, make sure all of the Christians commit suicide. Put that in as a right: I have the right to force Christians and Jews to commit suicide. They are mental lepers who need to be put to death so their disease does not spread.

Next, we need to drive home the point that dialectics means Christian. Not dianetics. I'm not talking about Scientologists. I'm talking about Communists. Communists are closet Christians. Obviously Scientologists with Christian and Communist sympathies will be upset by this new Bill of Modern Rights. And a great many others no doubt, such as Islamic and Chinese students of religion.

Break a few eggs, make an omelet.

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#28

I expect this post the become massive, as questions like this are so large a kind of bike-shedding exercise goes on, but my own 2c: I think religious rights should have never evolved the way it did. Religion is clearly different from creed color, etc, it also includes belief, personality, motivation etc. Instead of becoming power real estate for established religions to fight over (do 'cults', or atheist institutions…

Agreed. Religion should not even be mentioned. Everybody should have the right to believe whatever he/she wants as long it doesn't violate other laws like not killing other people.

Re: Ask HN: What would you like to see included in a 21st Century Bill of Rights?

#29
Is "right" the correct abstraction? An alternative might be "obligation".

Bill of obligations:

Article 1: All parents are obligated to either support their children and provide their physical and educational needs, and give them the emotional support they need to grow up or leave them up for adoption at the earliest opportunity.

Article 2: Adult children must financially support their parents by a percentage of their income while their parents are over the age of 65.

Article 3: The nearest relatives with income to a person with disability are obligated to support that person financially.

Article 4: The government have obligation to help the needy, the disabled, the elderly, the abandoned, to search for their nearest relatives and garnish their wages and income to ensure the persons' needs are fulfilled.

Etc etc. Instead of centralising social welfare payments through the government, we can place this obligation back towards those nearest to those who need help. Instead of paying taxes to the government for who knows what causes, they go directly to those nearest to us, and if supporting them is too onerous, search for the next nearest relatives.

These articles obligations can be extended to include companies, governments, institutions. Any entity that doesn't fulfil their obligations can be sued by anyone, rather than only when they violate the plaintiff's "rights".

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Is "right" the correct abstraction? An alternative might be "obligation". Bill of obligations: Article 1: All parents are obligated to either support their children and provide their physical and educational needs, and give them the emotional support they need to grow up or leave them up for adoption at the earliest opportunity. Article 2: Adult children must financially support their parents by a percentage of their…

This goes directly against personal freedom though, especially points 2-4.

What if you were abused by your parents and/or had some other issues with them, and you haven't had any contact with them for 30 years? Should you still pay them after they get over the age of 65?

In general, the whole idea is upsetting to me, over here in EU we pay massive taxes but they guarantee people in need are taken care off, "garnishing wages" of nearest relatives sounds just stupid.

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