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Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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I'm not a lawyer, but I very strongly doubt deliberately making yourself unavailable to give the password on demand is going to be perceived by a court as as cute a way around this law as you believe it to be. There's no technological solutions to things like this, only political ones.

Two passwords, one wipes the device the other unlocks.

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Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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One solution is for all other countries' border control started to demand passwords to unlock phone/all social apps for UK citizens, SPECIALLY target UK politicians and government workers.

Love to see any/all the interesting info one can find from the politicians.

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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Follow up from previous HN submitted article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14340137 Surprised more app developers are not creating solutions to this kind of thing - e.g. some form of multisig authorisation to access certain files or 2FA that relies on the second factor only being available at times access is genuinely needed.

If the governments claim they have authority to search your phone, then the only solution is not to store things on your phone during those border activities. Any system for denial of access will simply be considered obstruction.

So technical solutions would simply be to have a backup somewhere, with no trace of the backup software on the device itself. Get to where you're going, go to the website, or download the app, or plug it into another computer, and restore your data from the internet via access codes you have memorized. Or simply travel with a device dedicated for travel, and not your personal goings on.

But obviously, technical solutions don't solve the root poison, which is government destruction of rights and social health in the name of "protecting our rights and society from terrorists".

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a lawyer, but I very strongly doubt deliberately making yourself unavailable to give the password on demand is going to be perceived by a court as as cute a way around this law as you believe it to be. There's no technological solutions to things like this, only political ones.

There are no political solutions to things like this either - not that any of us talking about it here have any meaningful hope of accomplishing, anyway. We might as well try whatever technical fixes we can come up with, since it's better than the nothing we'll get if we wait for the politicians to deal with it.

Political/legal solutions are the only ones that will work long term. Tech solutions can be legislated around.

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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Follow up from previous HN submitted article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14340137 Surprised more app developers are not creating solutions to this kind of thing - e.g. some form of multisig authorisation to access certain files or 2FA that relies on the second factor only being available at times access is genuinely needed.

I'm not a lawyer, but I very strongly doubt deliberately making yourself unavailable to give the password on demand is going to be perceived by a court as as cute a way around this law as you believe it to be. There's no technological solutions to things like this, only political ones.

Jonathan Zidarski (now at Apple) had a really good post on the approaches to handle security checkpoints [1]. It's enlightening and at the same time depressing.

[1] https://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6918

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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Follow up from previous HN submitted article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14340137 Surprised more app developers are not creating solutions to this kind of thing - e.g. some form of multisig authorisation to access certain files or 2FA that relies on the second factor only being available at times access is genuinely needed.

I'm not a lawyer, but I very strongly doubt deliberately making yourself unavailable to give the password on demand is going to be perceived by a court as as cute a way around this law as you believe it to be. There's no technological solutions to things like this, only political ones.

The technological solution is to keep have separate devices for traveling internationally that are unlocked.

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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I recently flew to the U.S. - I did consider wiping my iPhone in advance and then restoring it from iCloud backup once safely in the hotel, but in the end just left it at home. It was very nice taking a break too.

Of course, as a fairly unremarkable middle-aged white guy, I didn't get stopped at all.

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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And if you don't mind being held indefinitely for contempt of court.

That's more or less the point of the GGP's suggestion. Contempt is generally brought in cases where you have the ability to comply, but choose not to. If you do not have even the ability to comply, justifying contempt becomes increasingly difficult.

Are we expecting a government that violates their own rules to not violate their own rules in a different area? Let's see how fast your grandma will give up the password when it is the only way to get you out of lockup at a torture center (using my definition of torture, not any of the horrible biased ones different governments use).

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a lawyer, but I very strongly doubt deliberately making yourself unavailable to give the password on demand is going to be perceived by a court as as cute a way around this law as you believe it to be. There's no technological solutions to things like this, only political ones.

The tech solution might be giving partial keys to someone in another legal jurisdiction. e.g. I send a partial key to my cousin and grandmother which live in another country. When crossing borders I then logout and cannot log back in without their part of the key. A local judge will not be able to compel someone in another country to cooperate - and my grandmother's local judge will not be able to compel her since th…

Sure. And you will be held in contempt until you facilitate access.

Re: UK Police Charge Activist for Refusing to Hand Over Passwords

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Follow up from previous HN submitted article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14340137 Surprised more app developers are not creating solutions to this kind of thing - e.g. some form of multisig authorisation to access certain files or 2FA that relies on the second factor only being available at times access is genuinely needed.

If the governments claim they have authority to search your phone, then the only solution is not to store things on your phone during those border activities. Any system for denial of access will simply be considered obstruction. So technical solutions would simply be to have a backup somewhere, with no trace of the backup software on the device itself. Get to where you're going, go to the website, or download the ap…

What I don't understand about the "create a backup" approach is that the government could simply ask you to surrender the backup. You shouldn't lie about having one, since that's (probably) a felony!

Also, what's to stop them from asking for your email or other account passwords?

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