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Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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gradstudent wrote: post #13
robotresearcher wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gait control is widely recognized as on-topic in AI robotics circles. There are sessions on this topic at the main conferences, for example.

Well, yes, but getting robots to move without falling over is not really a core AI topic; it's an application area where some AI stuff happens to be useful. Coming from a site with a name like "Open AI" I expected some software to help promote research on workhorse AI topics such as search, planning, constraint programming, knowledge representation and automated reasoning.

> getting robots to move without falling over is not really a core AI topic

Animals solve the problem wonderfully every day, using (at least partly) their brains. That's a working definition of an AI problem.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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traverseda wrote: post #20
gradstudent wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, but getting robots to move without falling over is not really a core AI topic; it's an application area where some AI stuff happens to be useful. Coming from a site with a name like "Open AI" I expected some software to help promote research on workhorse AI topics such as search, planning, constraint programming, knowledge representation and automated reasoning.

>Coming from a site with a name like "Open AI" I expected some software to help promote research Really? I'd expect some stuff that helps me integrate AI into whatever it is I'm building.

They are a privately funded research organization. It doesn't make sense to expect anything. We can just watch with interest.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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robotresearcher wrote: post #21
gradstudent wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, but getting robots to move without falling over is not really a core AI topic; it's an application area where some AI stuff happens to be useful. Coming from a site with a name like "Open AI" I expected some software to help promote research on workhorse AI topics such as search, planning, constraint programming, knowledge representation and automated reasoning.

> getting robots to move without falling over is not really a core AI topic Animals solve the problem wonderfully every day, using (at least partly) their brains. That's a working definition of an AI problem.

Robotics is not a core problem for AI. It's not even a core problem for Comp Sci. There's a whole bunch of kinematics and dynamics at play which are completely besides the point for most AI people. The only thing (some) AI folks care about is the control problems that arise in Robotics but the development of suitable methods to solve these comprises, I would argue, a rather small and not representative part of the field.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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Post by robotresearcher »

gradstudent wrote: post #23
robotresearcher wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> getting robots to move without falling over is not really a core AI topic Animals solve the problem wonderfully every day, using (at least partly) their brains. That's a working definition of an AI problem.

Robotics is not a core problem for AI. It's not even a core problem for Comp Sci. There's a whole bunch of kinematics and dynamics at play which are completely besides the point for most AI people. The only thing (some) AI folks care about is the control problems that arise in Robotics but the development of suitable methods to solve these comprises, I would argue, a rather small and not representative part of the fi…

> Robotics is not a core problem for AI.

I respectfully, but firmly, disagree.

Robotics has always been at the center of the AI vision, for academics and in culture.

There's a movie called 'AI'. It's not about automatic labelling of YouTube videos or 2-sat.

Planning and reasoning more your kind of AI? Seminal AI tech STRIPS and A* were invented to drive Shakey the robot. Shakey also had very early computer vision.

Hardly anyone would claim that self-driving cars - robots with people inside - are not AI, and a pretty compelling bit of AI right now.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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robotresearcher wrote: post #24
gradstudent wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Robotics is not a core problem for AI. It's not even a core problem for Comp Sci. There's a whole bunch of kinematics and dynamics at play which are completely besides the point for most AI people. The only thing (some) AI folks care about is the control problems that arise in Robotics but the development of suitable methods to solve these comprises, I would argue, a rather small and not representative part of the fi…

> Robotics is not a core problem for AI. I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Robotics has always been at the center of the AI vision, for academics and in culture. There's a movie called 'AI'. It's not about automatic labelling of YouTube videos or 2-sat. Planning and reasoning more your kind of AI? Seminal AI tech STRIPS and A* were invented to drive Shakey the robot. Shakey also had very early computer vision. Ha…

> I respectfully, but firmly, disagree.

Please pay attention: Robotics is just one application area for AI. Core problems from Robotics may influence the field of AI but they don't define it. Gait control or vision are or what have you are only interesting for AI people insofar as they can be used to study automated reasoning. The core problems of AI are the same as those of Computer Science: search, sort and computability.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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Post by robotresearcher »

gradstudent wrote: post #25
robotresearcher wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Robotics is not a core problem for AI. I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Robotics has always been at the center of the AI vision, for academics and in culture. There's a movie called 'AI'. It's not about automatic labelling of YouTube videos or 2-sat. Planning and reasoning more your kind of AI? Seminal AI tech STRIPS and A* were invented to drive Shakey the robot. Shakey also had very early computer vision. Ha…

> I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Please pay attention: Robotics is just one application area for AI. Core problems from Robotics may influence the field of AI but they don't define it. Gait control or vision are or what have you are only interesting for AI people insofar as they can be used to study automated reasoning. The core problems of AI are the same as those of Computer Science: search, sort and computa…

'Please pay attention'

Hilarious. Please continue to school me on the nature and basis of artificial intelligence.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

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Post by robotresearcher »

gradstudent wrote: post #25
robotresearcher wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Robotics is not a core problem for AI. I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Robotics has always been at the center of the AI vision, for academics and in culture. There's a movie called 'AI'. It's not about automatic labelling of YouTube videos or 2-sat. Planning and reasoning more your kind of AI? Seminal AI tech STRIPS and A* were invented to drive Shakey the robot. Shakey also had very early computer vision. Ha…

> I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Please pay attention: Robotics is just one application area for AI. Core problems from Robotics may influence the field of AI but they don't define it. Gait control or vision are or what have you are only interesting for AI people insofar as they can be used to study automated reasoning. The core problems of AI are the same as those of Computer Science: search, sort and computa…

'Please pay attention'

Hilarious. Please continue to school me on the nature and basis of artificial intelligence.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

#28

Post by robotresearcher »

gradstudent wrote: post #25
robotresearcher wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Robotics is not a core problem for AI. I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Robotics has always been at the center of the AI vision, for academics and in culture. There's a movie called 'AI'. It's not about automatic labelling of YouTube videos or 2-sat. Planning and reasoning more your kind of AI? Seminal AI tech STRIPS and A* were invented to drive Shakey the robot. Shakey also had very early computer vision. Ha…

> I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Please pay attention: Robotics is just one application area for AI. Core problems from Robotics may influence the field of AI but they don't define it. Gait control or vision are or what have you are only interesting for AI people insofar as they can be used to study automated reasoning. The core problems of AI are the same as those of Computer Science: search, sort and computa…

'Please pay attention'

Hilarious. Please continue to school me on the nature and basis of artificial intelligence.

Re: Roboschool: open-source software for robot simulation

#29

Post by gradstudent »

robotresearcher wrote: post #26
gradstudent wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I respectfully, but firmly, disagree. Please pay attention: Robotics is just one application area for AI. Core problems from Robotics may influence the field of AI but they don't define it. Gait control or vision are or what have you are only interesting for AI people insofar as they can be used to study automated reasoning. The core problems of AI are the same as those of Computer Science: search, sort and computa…

'Please pay attention' Hilarious. Please continue to school me on the nature and basis of artificial intelligence.

My bad. Please forgive me Mr Robot Researcher. Tell me again how all of AI exists to feed your robotic fever dreams.
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