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How billions vanish into the security industry

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Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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And don't forget the Classic ADE 651. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29459896

Or the TSA's ridiculous 1.4 million app that randomly picks left or right:

http://www.geek.com/apps/tsa-paid-1-4-million-for-randomizer...

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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Part of the problem is that genuinely innovative ideas from small businesses find it impossible to navigate the mess that is EU related funding. Meaning only the big players can access them. Also, the amount of unnecessary duplication and crap sold in the security industry is unbelievable. If you go to the Counter Terrorism Expo in London, you can see this. Dozens of organisations selling effectively the same stuff.…

You're describing all procurement, public and private. Only difference is scale.

In the USA, education spending is mostly funneled to cronies. Our elections are well towards being privatized. We blew billions on unnecessary new gear that never worked well and is now landfill. Roads and misc infrastructure is often substandard and overbudget. Etc, etc.

I don't know what the fix is. Maybe more sunshine (transparency, accountability). Like Steve Ballmer's new purpose in life.

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

#23
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and then the contractor turns around and gives you China-built parts and US-built software to run them, with little meaningful independence gained. The industrial world by now is too globalized for this sort of approach to work. We keep pretending otherwise so that money keeps flowing and the general public doesn't freak out, but I bet even the almighty US cannot certify that most of their tech is built at home.

I bet even the almighty US cannot certify that most of their tech is built at home. Probably only the shit that matters. The nuclear weapons, first and foremost, and then an exponential decay in validation as you get less and less lethal. I gotta figure the F-35 is cover for several substantial black budgets at this point, and that it's actually much cheaper than the paper trail would have us believe, simply because…

> the F-22's and the F-35's avionics both were controlled over a firewire bus

...and what problem would a firewire bus seem to indicate?

(But overall I'd agree that the widely trumpeted F-35 blunder is kind of a PR stunt from the US military for the rest of the world: "look, we've just spent so many billions on top secret military capabilities you know nothing about, so we have super dope secret weapons that will blow you up, and we believe your spies aren't even competent enough to figure out that our secret programs exist, let alone what they do, so we'll "silently" have to brag about labeling it as "spending blunders" for it for some deterrent value"... the problem with this shit is that such an international mil policy strategy with it's possible strategic implications sounds like the prequel of an Apocalypse/WW3 movie... so let's hope this is not the closest variant to the truth or we're all fucked)

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and then the contractor turns around and gives you China-built parts and US-built software to run them, with little meaningful independence gained. The industrial world by now is too globalized for this sort of approach to work. We keep pretending otherwise so that money keeps flowing and the general public doesn't freak out, but I bet even the almighty US cannot certify that most of their tech is built at home.

I bet even the almighty US cannot certify that most of their tech is built at home. Probably only the shit that matters. The nuclear weapons, first and foremost, and then an exponential decay in validation as you get less and less lethal. I gotta figure the F-35 is cover for several substantial black budgets at this point, and that it's actually much cheaper than the paper trail would have us believe, simply because…

> I gotta figure the F-35 is cover for several substantial black budgets at this point

And they even got foreign governments to chip in.

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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post #2

The other security industry. Not IT security.

The first step to IT security is physical security.

Also the last step, you can't defend against physical access, the best you can do is make data unreadable to anyone unauthorized.

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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People like to knock on government funded research on security/defense here, but it is actually one of the reasons the US leads in tech. DARPA produced the arpanet, the predecessor to the internet. Also, while everyone is aware of Stanford and silicon manufacturers contributions to making Silicon Valley, the defense industry also played a big part in SV's early days. And let's not forget Alan Turing was working for t…

A more accurate synopsis is the US leads in tech because of a huge increase in research spending combined with strong use of the scientists fleeing the Nazi's and the Nazi scientists. Every world power's research budget balooned during that period. Spending more on war research without the near worldwide unity or the threat of destruction won't have the same effect.

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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post #25
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first step to IT security is physical security.

Also the last step, you can't defend against physical access, the best you can do is make data unreadable to anyone unauthorized.

Since when does the lack of perfect defenses render something indefensible?

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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post #12

And don't forget the Classic ADE 651. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29459896

> On 23 April 2013, the founder of ATSC, Jim McCormick, was convicted of three counts of fraud,[6] and was subsequently sentenced to ten years' imprisonment.[7]

Good.

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first step to IT security is physical security.

And when all your physical security tools are electronic the first step to physical security is IT security :)

It generalizes to national security as well.

https://xkcd.com/898/

Re: How billions vanish into the security industry

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Part of the problem is that genuinely innovative ideas from small businesses find it impossible to navigate the mess that is EU related funding. Meaning only the big players can access them. Also, the amount of unnecessary duplication and crap sold in the security industry is unbelievable. If you go to the Counter Terrorism Expo in London, you can see this. Dozens of organisations selling effectively the same stuff.…

>They are effectively a hidden British government job scheme. There is inherent value in simply having an existing capable defense contractor in your own nation. It isn't about dollars and cents, it's about being capable of fighting a war without outside help (or not being wholly dependent). So you throw money at the local defense contractor to keep it alive. It's expensive to do this, but if you don't you pay for it…

No, it's all a farce.

If there's ever a global conflict where the scope and scale disrupts those global supply lines, it will go nuclear and not matter anymore.

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