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Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by raftaa » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:36 AM UTC

Markoff wrote: post #14

tremon wrote: post #5

Besides the obvious "don't cross the border with work data", I found this recommendation much more interesting: [ask] for someone to remove you from the Basecamp team for 1Password so you no longer have access to Basecamp logins and passwords. Maybe we should temporarily suspend our employee's accounts too when they travel to the US.

maybe just stop traveling to US would be easier and cheaper solution, why one need to be physically present anywhere in 2017? i find it odd, i can understand it for my father that when some of his agricultural company partners has training, people from neighboring countries must travel there for hours to stay there for few hours and go back, but IT company in 2017? reminds me of Huawei which is still organizing telec…

Because the costumer wants some of the developers on site to see that they are actually working on his problems.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by SCdF » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:37 AM UTC

staticelf wrote: post #2

I recently visited the US and I thought the process was going to be hell after reading a lot of these threads on HN. Turns out it was pretty chill, got some questions before boarding and was selected for extra security check. Then upon landing I got like 3 questions from the officer, how long I would stay, where my friends were and what the purpose of my trip was. Sure they didn't seem very friendly but it wasn't a b…

> It seems like you run on luck mostly. You only need to give up passwords and such if you are unlucky.

How on earth does that make it OK?

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by kidmenot » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:37 AM UTC

js8 wrote: post #8

staticelf wrote: post #2

I recently visited the US and I thought the process was going to be hell after reading a lot of these threads on HN. Turns out it was pretty chill, got some questions before boarding and was selected for extra security check. Then upon landing I got like 3 questions from the officer, how long I would stay, where my friends were and what the purpose of my trip was. Sure they didn't seem very friendly but it wasn't a b…

> You only need to give up passwords and such if you are unlucky. Very comforting, isn't it? Especially when this is said about a legal process.

Frankly, I find the thought of having to give my passwords away to be baffling to say the least. No chance I will ever visit the US under these conditions, because I tend to dislike totalitarian countries.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by louhike » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:38 AM UTC

8draco8 wrote: post #10

I live in Europe. From my perspective going to US looks like going to some kind totalitarian country. First I have to got visa which is not automatically approved because I'm Polish not British. Then I have to go trough a lot of, mostly pointless, security checks, checking social accounts, interrogations, scans and manual personal revisions. On any stage of that I can be handcuffed and sent back to Europe for almost…

Yes, it feels strange but me and my girlfriend have decided it is not worth it to try to go to america on holidaysfor now because of all these difficulties.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by polotics » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:38 AM UTC

SCdF wrote: post #20

Just don't travel there. I'm sure I'd be fine: I've been fine a dozen times before. That was before they decided that it was OK to demand passwords and so on. Maybe now it would be worse. Or maybe my skin colour lets me off the hook. Regardless, I'd rather just not waste jet fuel on flying to a place that treats anyone this way. Your phone/tablet/laptop is, for better or worse, a gateway to your entire life. It conta…

Only rational explanation: the current POTUS is a closet ecologist, decided to use scare tactics to reduce needless CO2 waste. (unlikely, but still...)

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by isaac_is_goat » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:39 AM UTC

kidmenot wrote: post #19

This only reinforces my intention to postpone my first visit to the US until after this presidency and its associated madness have ended. EDIT: at least until after this presidency.

This has nothing to do with Trump, it was going on during the Obama era - and probably Bush and before (but I'm not sure) - but it was never a problem until now. Stop spreading FUD.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by samat » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:41 AM UTC

polotics wrote: post #25

SCdF wrote: post #20

Just don't travel there. I'm sure I'd be fine: I've been fine a dozen times before. That was before they decided that it was OK to demand passwords and so on. Maybe now it would be worse. Or maybe my skin colour lets me off the hook. Regardless, I'd rather just not waste jet fuel on flying to a place that treats anyone this way. Your phone/tablet/laptop is, for better or worse, a gateway to your entire life. It conta…

Only rational explanation: the current POTUS is a closet ecologist, decided to use scare tactics to reduce needless CO2 waste. (unlikely, but still...)

This started long before Trump

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by omarqureshi » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:42 AM UTC

I'm a British Muslim who flew to the US on Sunday. Honestly I had assumed it would be hell. In actual fact it was only a little more painful than before.

I'm used to being randomly selected for an additional search every time in the UK premiere flight. My colleague (another British Muslim) was also selected which we found quite amusing.

On the other side it wasn't bad, just answered truthfully, only snag was my colleague who accidentally had both a 10 year business visa and an ESTA at the same time who then had to go down to immigration to have it removed.

After immigration I was asked to speak to a customs officer and that was it, I continued on my journey.

Little more painful but not overly.

Personally I think this guide is a little extreme and I'm sure in the worst case it probably does apply.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by pjc50 » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:43 AM UTC

polotics wrote: post #25

SCdF wrote: post #20

Just don't travel there. I'm sure I'd be fine: I've been fine a dozen times before. That was before they decided that it was OK to demand passwords and so on. Maybe now it would be worse. Or maybe my skin colour lets me off the hook. Regardless, I'd rather just not waste jet fuel on flying to a place that treats anyone this way. Your phone/tablet/laptop is, for better or worse, a gateway to your entire life. It conta…

Only rational explanation: the current POTUS is a closet ecologist, decided to use scare tactics to reduce needless CO2 waste. (unlikely, but still...)

The only ration explanation is that the policy is what it claims to be: racial and nationalist discrimination. After all, that's what the huge pre-election rallies were cheering.

Re: International Travel Guide for Basecamp employees

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Post by imron » Wed, May 03, 2017, 9:43 AM UTC

kidmenot wrote: post #19

This only reinforces my intention to postpone my first visit to the US until after this presidency and its associated madness have ended. EDIT: at least until after this presidency.

Don't expect it to get any better once Trump leaves office.

This madness didn't begin with him and it won't end with him either.