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Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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I hoped reading this would provide insight, but instead it only offered some random eassywriter's disdain of people different from him/herself.

Yeah, it's very disappointing to see a stalwart like The Economist descend into publishing this type of drivel. It starts at the conclusions it wishes to make and works backwards. I don't think this passes the quality muster to cross the threshold of HN's political relevance/interest barrier.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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> Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism

Surprise! "Education" is the tool to adapt us descendants of egalitarian (gender and otherwise), fraternalistic, communal, polygamous, nomadic ice-age hunters to settled agricultural civilization, aka "trade, technology, feminism"

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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"Although there is no reason in theory why men could not become nurses or care-home assistants, few do." This is true, but why is it that the shortage of women in technology fields is attributed to them not being accepted or even forced out? Maybe this isn't the general attitude, but I have certainly heard people say that woman aren't in tech as much because they feel unwelcome, whereas when talking about men in thos…

No good ever comes out of going down this rabbit hole.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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I hoped reading this would provide insight, but instead it only offered some random eassywriter's disdain of people different from him/herself.

Welcome to 2017 America.

I believe the staff of The Economist is sourced primarily from Great Britain, and since they refuse to add bylines, it's impossible to know where this author is actually from.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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I find the topic interesting, but the article looks to be doing a lot of guessing causation from results. I.e. In low-skilled jobs that are projected to have growth, women are more represented than men. It then wanders around different topics - effects on heterosexual relationship when "eligible" members of one sex are in low supply, etc. But I was most interested in that initial argument, and it wasn't given much su…

I largely agree. It lost me greatly when it stated,

> Few women in rich countries now need a man’s support to raise a family. (They might want it, but they don’t need it.)

I'm a man, and my wife is back to work after giving birth to our child. Raising a family seems to be a massively two person job. I have absolutely no idea how anyone can manage it alone and keep their sanity and not neglect their job and child.

Blanket statements such as this (instead of asking if single family homes might be resulting in worse outcomes for children) are where the article appeared to have an agenda.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying attention is a skill that needs to be taught in school. It's hardly the fault of the student if the schools don't engage and challenge them. The American education system fed me lie after lie after lie. All public schools teach lies, some even don't even pretend and teach creationism.

I am reminded of my chemistry professor's lament. "I can't count how many students I've failed for not knowing things that were later proven to be untrue"

I can understand the spirit and frustration of the lament, but it presents the hazard of the unhelpful and fallacious interpretation that "I might as well not teach them any of this in the first place since some of it might end up just being wrong!"

Science is not about always being right. It is about knowing and building upon the best knowledge available, while maintaining the intellectual humility and curiosity to continually challenge the best available knowledge and revise it towards a measurably better state. That is how the mountain is climbed.

Re: Badly educated men have not adapted well to trade, technology or feminism (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying attention is a skill that needs to be taught in school. It's hardly the fault of the student if the schools don't engage and challenge them. The American education system fed me lie after lie after lie. All public schools teach lies, some even don't even pretend and teach creationism.

You state that the education system taught you lies, and then generalize that all public schools teach lies. Did you attend every public school in the nation?

I attended a great public high school staffed by a faculty that, for the most part, actually cared about the people they raised into their community.

Some of them had good intentions with their lies (Creationists), but they're still lies.

Regardless, it was overflowing with lies. Especially history.

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