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Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

#21

Post by stewbrew »

I understand why they started neovim, but don't think the split between vim 8 of today and neovim is a good thing. Makes me think of emacs vs xemacs but worth because they use slightly different dialects of vimscript (closures, currying in vim 8, different api for asynchronous calls). I personally wish they'd meet on some common, standardized ground. This would require both parties to accept they are not alone though.

Edit: I realize that "Vim 8 features: partials, lambdas." might solve part of my problem.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by godmodus »

stewbrew wrote: post #21

I understand why they started neovim, but don't think the split between vim 8 of today and neovim is a good thing. Makes me think of emacs vs xemacs but worth because they use slightly different dialects of vimscript (closures, currying in vim 8, different api for asynchronous calls). I personally wish they'd meet on some common, standardized ground. This would require both parties to accept they are not alone though…

The diffwrence in performance is hhuuuugggee!

Vim lags on my project, nvim doesnt! Quadcorei5, 16hb ram!

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by ptero »

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question.

I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV that are painful with Vim (via plugins is OK).

If NV devs can do this, it will go far. If not, then the case for an upgrade hasn't been made yet for most users. My 2c.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by Mayzie »

stewbrew wrote: post #21

I understand why they started neovim, but don't think the split between vim 8 of today and neovim is a good thing. Makes me think of emacs vs xemacs but worth because they use slightly different dialects of vimscript (closures, currying in vim 8, different api for asynchronous calls). I personally wish they'd meet on some common, standardized ground. This would require both parties to accept they are not alone though…

> I personally wish they'd meet on some common, standardized ground. This would require both parties to accept they are not alone though.

Yeah, not going to happen. ViM's author is remarkably hostile to the efforts of NeoVim and the ideas it brings forth.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by fao_ »

ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

Honestly for me the main reason was that it finally has builtin `:terminal`. The plugins for use with vim have always been slightly buggy for me.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by majewsky »

godmodus wrote: post #22
stewbrew wrote: post #21

I understand why they started neovim, but don't think the split between vim 8 of today and neovim is a good thing. Makes me think of emacs vs xemacs but worth because they use slightly different dialects of vimscript (closures, currying in vim 8, different api for asynchronous calls). I personally wish they'd meet on some common, standardized ground. This would require both parties to accept they are not alone though…

The diffwrence in performance is hhuuuugggee! Vim lags on my project, nvim doesnt! Quadcorei5, 16hb ram!

What are you doing that makes Vim lag? In my experience (on much weaker hardware) it only lags noticeably when you do wildly unusual stuff, e.g. huge files or files with huge lines.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by musaffa »

I use Neovim on daily basis. It works really well. It requires tremendous efforts and love to transform a huge archaic code base into a much modern one. Thanks, Neovim team!

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by gkya »

ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

I'm an Emacs user and that's because the Unix way doesn't quite work out well in practice: composition is hard, requires textual transformation with many possible edge cases as glue which is hard to build and maintain and is bug-prone, and interfaces are cryptic, only partly portable and inconsistent. Elisp on the other hand is a nicer primitive for building my day-to-day tools: Uniform data format everywhere; buffers and processes are nicer primitives as an interface to other programs in the system; single, extensible programming language (with lexical-scope added and threads coming in, Elisp is quite pleasant to program in in fact).

NeoVim seems to bring these qualities into Vim sphere, giving the users and extension developers (in Emacs many extensions are apps themselves) better primitives to develop tools and applications, and allow to abstract-away Unix userland which is way too low-level and as I said above, not that friendly and helpful environment to live in. It holds on to what makes Vim interesting (modal editing, the range-command-object-movement style editing commands, ex mode) while adding a better API (VimL is...).

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by hdra »

hdra wrote: post #18
adrianN wrote: post #4

I'm currently using vim and I'm quite happy with it. I don't use many plugins, so better support for plugins is not very helpful to me. Are there other reasons why I should switch to Neovim?

Not much, which is really its selling point. Its really "just vim". There is the more "open" and "community-focused" development model, and better code organization, if you care about those.

and by the way, by "just vim", I really meant it. That means in most cases, "switching" involves little more than symlinking your vimrc.

Re: NeoVim 0.2.0 released

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Post by Longhanks »

ptero wrote: post #23

I have been using Vim as my primary editor for many years and am happy with it. People I know who use developer editors are split between Vim and Emacs. Neovim usage is minimal. Why? It is an honest question. I see developers of the editor happy, which is a good thing, but IMO to get more users NV must show why it is better from a user perspective -- have several demos on the powerful things easily achieved with NV t…

Without neovim, vim wouldn't have gotten the async features. The fact that it's a community driven project and not dictated by one single BDFL makes it a lot more sympathetic for me.
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