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A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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I prefer the version "not all that glitters is gold", otherwise it sounds like gold, which glitters, is not gold. Interestingly in Spanish both versions are also popular.

>gold, which glitters, is not gold

that's the poetic point

"All that glisters is not gold— Often have you heard that told. Many a man his life hath sold But my outside to behold. Gilded tombs do worms enfold."

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Intel's management engine?

If you are suggesting that the IME is being used by the NSA to spy on Americans, there is no [citation needed] big enough for your comment.

"How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork." -Orwell, 1984.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word order "All that gli[t]ters is not gold" is taken from Shakespeare ( The Merchant of Venice ), so that gives it quite a bit of staying power in English.

Although in the originl he used the word "glister".

Hence why I put the bracket around the first 't'.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Intel's management engine?

If you are suggesting that the IME is being used by the NSA to spy on Americans, there is no [citation needed] big enough for your comment.

There's no concrete evidence of such a thing, but keep in mind that the ME is advanced enough and exerts enough control over the installed system that it can be hacked and a keylogger covertly installed.

Knowing what I know of enterprise coding standards, the likelihood is greater that it is being abused than it isn't.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Intel's management engine?

If you are suggesting that the IME is being used by the NSA to spy on Americans, there is no [citation needed] big enough for your comment.

I might have agreed with you pre-Snowden, but now we know that there seem to be no such limits.

Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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post #15

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Can you go into more detail please? I am very much against authoritarianism and the state as a whole, though I am in favour of certain modes of social organisation some consider unorthodox. I think we should educate each generation on the influence of power on people, the benefits and drawbacks of democracy, care for one's fellow man, the societal structure of capitalism, among other things. Edit: preferably via Prie…

I mean it's this spot on earth where the nightmare reality of total authoritarianism lives today. We can look at it from without, to whatever extent possible, and remind ourselves that every generation earns the freedom that it has. Having something concrete like North Korea is much more powerful than a book like Nineteen Eighty-Four, a work of literature about some hypothetical place. What's interesting about total…

Strong disagree. North Korea is a disastrous country run by a truly evil government. However, it does not perform the role you suggest. We merely look on it from the outside in, with all of our small and little prejudices, and selectively picked historical knowledge. From such a vantage point, authoritarian always seems wrong. From the outside, it's trivial to understand and trivial to criticize. From within, from a perspective where authoritarianism has hijacked our own cultural values, our own patriotism, our own media, our cultural history, and historical stories, where the truth is always disputed and considered unpleasant to discuss in social gatherings, where friends and families really believe in it, criticism becomes far more difficult. What we need is both fictional and nonfiction insight into what it's like to experience authoritarianism firsthand, not picture-book,elementary school level accounts of how evil North Korea is. I recommend Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism, Orwell's Politics and the English Language, and the play Rhinoceros by Eugene Ionesco as starting examples.

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you go into more detail please? I am very much against authoritarianism and the state as a whole, though I am in favour of certain modes of social organisation some consider unorthodox. I think we should educate each generation on the influence of power on people, the benefits and drawbacks of democracy, care for one's fellow man, the societal structure of capitalism, among other things. Edit: preferably via Prie…

I mean it's this spot on earth where the nightmare reality of total authoritarianism lives today. We can look at it from without, to whatever extent possible, and remind ourselves that every generation earns the freedom that it has. Having something concrete like North Korea is much more powerful than a book like Nineteen Eighty-Four, a work of literature about some hypothetical place. What's interesting about total…

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Re: A Closer Look at North Korea’s Ullim Tablet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean it's this spot on earth where the nightmare reality of total authoritarianism lives today. We can look at it from without, to whatever extent possible, and remind ourselves that every generation earns the freedom that it has. Having something concrete like North Korea is much more powerful than a book like Nineteen Eighty-Four, a work of literature about some hypothetical place. What's interesting about total…

Strong disagree. North Korea is a disastrous country run by a truly evil government. However, it does not perform the role you suggest. We merely look on it from the outside in, with all of our small and little prejudices, and selectively picked historical knowledge. From such a vantage point, authoritarian always seems wrong. From the outside, it's trivial to understand and trivial to criticize. From within, from a…

My grandfather was head of the main construction "trust" in Kiev and a member of the communist party. Thus he was head of all construction in the city. He was part and parcel of the system that all together constituted what really was rightfully called the Evil Empire. A true prison. Was he evil? No. For him it was his job. He had a passion for construction and building. But he did nothing to subvert the Soviet way of life, derived benefit from it, and most likely thought it was correct. Multiply that by millions and you get your average society, whether individuals are contributing to a Soviet Socialist State or a Western Society. You can't just run a country by fear. Many people must be on board, from the oligarchy to the top level beaurocrats to the mid level apparatchiks to the common man. Society is ruled by broad social currents. Mao didn't personally kill 65 million people. He and many other people set up an environment that manipulated common human features—cult worship, paranoia, herd mentality—and steered them in an evil direction. But the mob, the herd mentality was the grand perpetrator. And you'll find that common to all groups everywhere. That's why the Federalist Papers are so beautiful. Any group can slip from a civil society to a nightmare wreck.

PS Thank you from the recommendations. I've tried some of those and couldn't get in to them. Will try again maybe it's the right time.

PSS > However, it does not perform the role you suggest.

I think that depends on who's looking, and at what. The OP is what really got me. Can't imagine having an app called "Trace Viewer" on my phone. Really brought me in to that day to day. And maybe my perspective on NK is different because I was born in the Soviet Union, and despite leaving at age 5, that has been the backdrop to my entire life.

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