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EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by narrowrail »

sfifs wrote: post #8
hplust wrote: post #2

What actions can I take as a US citizen to fight this level of ignorance? I feel like calling or emailing my representative will yield no results. Does anyone have some ideas on what can be done by the average Bob?

Same as democracies everywhere. Organize and vote out the reps in the next elections. Americans are unique in how frequently you get opportunities to vote out leaders (2 years for Congress and 4 years for president) but you rarely do.

Sorry to nitpick, but the senate is 6 years (and the senate is part of the congress).

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by spiderfarmer »

mankash666 wrote: post #12

History repeats itself, in an amplified manner. At least in the era of galileo the general population's prevailing world view was being challenged by new science and evidence. This is backwards, the science has been proven decades ago, countries' policies are being amended to counter the effects. Except in America, and the Middle East. Unlikely bedfellows in science denial.

The US government denied science before when it came gun control, birth control, abortion and cannabis, so this is just the next step backwards.

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by ximeng »

hplust wrote: post #2

What actions can I take as a US citizen to fight this level of ignorance? I feel like calling or emailing my representative will yield no results. Does anyone have some ideas on what can be done by the average Bob?

I'm wondering if there's a better designed version of the IPCC climate change reports. Good information but presented in a massive PDF file which doesn't really lend itself to being referenced or browsed easily.

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by adwhit »

The capitalists who funded the mass propaganda effort to deny the reality of climate change - what is their endgame? Are they simply hoping to maintain the status quo as long as possible and bleed the planet (and public) dry in the meantime?

In 50 years time, when things go seriously south for mankind and the history of our era is written, our children and grandchildren are going to regard us with the utmost contempt. As for the Kochs and Trumps of the world, what could possibly be a fair reaction to the people who destroyed the planet? A bloody uprising followed by a complete overthrow of the system? Perhaps the ruling class think that by that point they will have enough systems of control in place to keep themselves comfortable as civilization collapses around them, a la Children Of Men.

I'm not sure the gravity of the evil has quite sunk in yet. We are witnessing the worst, most venal, most corrupt behavior that mankind has ever partaken. It is quite spectacular.

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by greenyoda »

narrowrail wrote: post #21
sfifs wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as democracies everywhere. Organize and vote out the reps in the next elections. Americans are unique in how frequently you get opportunities to vote out leaders (2 years for Congress and 4 years for president) but you rarely do.

Sorry to nitpick, but the senate is 6 years (and the senate is part of the congress).

But about a third of the Senate is up for election every two years[1], so technically the original statement was correct. The voters of the states who elect senators in a particular year may have the opportunity to change which party has a majority in the Senate.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Term

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by Qwertious »

hplust wrote: post #2

What actions can I take as a US citizen to fight this level of ignorance? I feel like calling or emailing my representative will yield no results. Does anyone have some ideas on what can be done by the average Bob?

When the next election comes up, vote for whichever candidate is willing to ditch FTPTP and make third-party candidates mathematically viable. Even if the only candidate who does so is Trump (as long as you expect him to keep that particular promise).

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by Qwertious »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #13

Most Americans (70%) think climate change is real. A large portion thinks it isn't made by men though. http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yco...

Specifically, 53% of people think it IS being caused by humans, whereas 32% think it's by natural causes.

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

Qwertious wrote: post #28
_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #13

Most Americans (70%) think climate change is real. A large portion thinks it isn't made by men though. http://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yco...

Specifically, 53% of people think it IS being caused by humans, whereas 32% think it's by natural causes.

Yes, and only 40% believe it harms them personally.

Re: EPA website removes climate science site from public view after two decades

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Post by Sunset »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #22
mankash666 wrote: post #12

History repeats itself, in an amplified manner. At least in the era of galileo the general population's prevailing world view was being challenged by new science and evidence. This is backwards, the science has been proven decades ago, countries' policies are being amended to counter the effects. Except in America, and the Middle East. Unlikely bedfellows in science denial.

The US government denied science before when it came gun control, birth control, abortion and cannabis, so this is just the next step backwards.

Which "science" has been denied about gun control? The question of gun rights is a moral one not scientific.
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