How soon before Apple and Google patch whatever mechanisms this tool is using to check phone activity? Since my phone uses Qi charging, maybe I see a value in epoxying my USB port...
New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
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Re: New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
#22How soon before Apple and Google patch whatever mechanisms this tool is using to check phone activity? Since my phone uses Qi charging, maybe I see a value in epoxying my USB port...
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/usb-killer-fries-dev...
Re: New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
#231) What if your passenger was using your phone?
2) What if you using voice-commands to send a text (especially if via CarPlay, etc...)?
Re: New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
#24This will be struck down by the courts so fast the ink won't even be dry. Your phone is the backbone of your life and contains pretty much all of your private information and allowing police to scoop all of that up without a warrant is blatantly unconstitutional.
the chief argument being, the law needs tools to protect its citizens.
the sacrifice of privacy for security has been towards security on a consistent basis for a while now, I see no reason for that to change.
Re: New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
#25Doesn't existing security on modern phones (the iPhone's secure enclave, for example) make this extremely difficult to do?
Re: New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
#26This will be struck down by the courts so fast the ink won't even be dry. Your phone is the backbone of your life and contains pretty much all of your private information and allowing police to scoop all of that up without a warrant is blatantly unconstitutional.
at the rate of which laws are changing, I wish I could believe ideas like this would be immediately struck down however I suspect more laws like this will be created to our surprise on a consistent basis. the chief argument being, the law needs tools to protect its citizens. the sacrifice of privacy for security has been towards security on a consistent basis for a while now, I see no reason for that to change.
Re: New York eyes a 'breathlyzer' for texting while driving
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if my passenger was making the call or text on my phone (which isn't uncommon, at least with my group of friends)? What if the texts were minutes before at a parking lot, while the car was off? How does anything but a copy actually seeing a cell phone in my hand while driving prove beyond a doubt I'm guilty?
E911 pings should provide moving speed at the time of the text. An officer is going to take your Driver's License, so they should should be able to differentiate between you and your passengers.
Are E911 pings sent before you call 911?
> Modern Enhanced 911 emergency systems (E911) systems automatically track the locations of people who call 911. This technology saves lives, as it allows emergency services to know the precise locations of callers. Like most technology, E911 also has a sinister side. Using a tactic called E911 pings, police can make reverse 911 calls to determine the locations of any cell phone built after 1999
- https://21stcenturylocksmith.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/how-po...
seems to imply it only works when calling 911.
> An officer is going to take your Driver's License, so they should should be able to differentiate between you and your passengers.
They can really use my driver's license to differentiate between who was holding a phone a few minutes before? That's amazing!
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#30It seems like there are a couple big issues with this. 1) What if your passenger was using your phone? 2) What if you using voice-commands to send a text (especially if via CarPlay, etc...)?
Voice to text is certainly harder to prove right now.
To me (and I know this will be a controversial opinion) I feel this is something smart phone manufacturers should work together with the government on. A simple "has a text been manually entered in the last x minutes" read out feels like a non slippery slope that may save lives by proxy.