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An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by jlarocco »

strgrd wrote: post #3

Today I learned that Markov chain generation = "AI." Shame on Ars staff for conflating this parlor trick as "artificial intelligence," and failing to explain how this rather simple process works. For fucks sake, they find the raw screenplay of a movie like Knight Rider, regex out the crap, download a Markov chain generator off of github, and train their model on the text. And of course by "training", I mean they run…

First of all, the article doesn't mention Markov, and there are a lot of ways to generate text, so you may be jumping to conclusions.

Second, the concept of AI is so fragmented, varied, and overloaded, that who's really to say Markov text generation isn't a simple AI?

And TBH, there's not much difference between Markov chains and most AI and machine learning algorithms. The math's a little different, but they're almost all based on probability and statistics (and sometimes searching) and none of them really understand anything.

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by themadstork »

minimaxir wrote: post #17
strgrd wrote: post #3

Today I learned that Markov chain generation = "AI." Shame on Ars staff for conflating this parlor trick as "artificial intelligence," and failing to explain how this rather simple process works. For fucks sake, they find the raw screenplay of a movie like Knight Rider, regex out the crap, download a Markov chain generator off of github, and train their model on the text. And of course by "training", I mean they run…

The tutorials of which are all extensions of the char-rnn project. http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ A large amount of AI-generated text just swaps in the source dataset, generates the text, calls it AI, and gets many blog posts written about "artificial creativity."

That's definitely how I started, but I'm working with my own LSTM now. Here's a bit about my process from last year:

https://medium.com/artists-and-machine-intelligence/adventur...

https://medium.com/artists-and-machine-intelligence/adventur...

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Post by rhcom2 »

themadstork wrote: post #18

Hey, I'm one of the creators of this -- I trained the LSTMs that wrote the computer generated segments in this film. The ballet choreography was generated with a context-free grammar, because I couldn't find enough material to make a ballet choreography LSTM. Here's our film from last year, Sunspring, which was written entirely by an LSTM trained on science fiction screenplays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7x2Ih…

I'm incredibly interested in the ballet part, what was it trained on? Any more info on that part?

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by themadstork »

rhcom2 wrote: post #23
themadstork wrote: post #18

Hey, I'm one of the creators of this -- I trained the LSTMs that wrote the computer generated segments in this film. The ballet choreography was generated with a context-free grammar, because I couldn't find enough material to make a ballet choreography LSTM. Here's our film from last year, Sunspring, which was written entirely by an LSTM trained on science fiction screenplays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7x2Ih…

I'm incredibly interested in the ballet part, what was it trained on? Any more info on that part?

Yeah, I simply ingested words in French from a few online ballet dictionaries into a JSON object, and used a recursive context-free grammar to generate (generally) grammatically correct sentences. The result was a mixture of English and French because the dancer (Sarah Hay) requested that I add a few words of her choice in English as well.

Here's some information about context-free grammars: http://www.decontextualize.com/teaching/rwet/recursion-and-c...

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Post by RodericDay »

gliptic wrote: post #7
strgrd wrote: post #3

Today I learned that Markov chain generation = "AI." Shame on Ars staff for conflating this parlor trick as "artificial intelligence," and failing to explain how this rather simple process works. For fucks sake, they find the raw screenplay of a movie like Knight Rider, regex out the crap, download a Markov chain generator off of github, and train their model on the text. And of course by "training", I mean they run…

They describe it like that because it's a long short-term memory recurrent neural network, which is a machine learning algorithm. How exactly were you able to infer that they were lying and were instead using a Markov chain from a few snippets of dialogue?

defending hype-building like this is why we keep having AI winters

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by minimaxir »

themadstork wrote: post #22
minimaxir wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tutorials of which are all extensions of the char-rnn project. http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ A large amount of AI-generated text just swaps in the source dataset, generates the text, calls it AI, and gets many blog posts written about "artificial creativity."

That's definitely how I started, but I'm working with my own LSTM now. Here's a bit about my process from last year: https://medium.com/artists-and-machine-intelligence/adventur... https://medium.com/artists-and-machine-intelligence/adventur...

Those write-ups are very neat! Thanks!

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by rhcom2 »

themadstork wrote: post #24
rhcom2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm incredibly interested in the ballet part, what was it trained on? Any more info on that part?

Yeah, I simply ingested words in French from a few online ballet dictionaries into a JSON object, and used a recursive context-free grammar to generate (generally) grammatically correct sentences. The result was a mixture of English and French because the dancer (Sarah Hay) requested that I add a few words of her choice in English as well. Here's some information about context-free grammars: http://www.decontextualiz…

The dictionary gives you the terms but how do you get the rules (like S -> NP VP) to combine them? Or were the rules the same as the English language just with the verbs from the ballet dictionary? Thank you for the link also.

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by theprop »

krylon wrote: post #20
theprop wrote: post #14

Interesting. Sidenote: a 30+ year old film Death Wish (about a woman who's dying young and how her life becomes a reality tv show) predicted AI-written novels.

Can you tell me the name of the director, producer, or some of the actors? That sounds like a very interesting movie I would like to watch very much. But search for Death Wish only turns up tons and tons of the one with Charles Bronson going postal.

Sorry it's Death Watch!! My fault!! Some sort of a slip! It's a bit slow as a film, but well-done and engaging. Harvey Keitel and Max von Sydow are in it. The director is Bertrand Tavernier.

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by krylon »

theprop wrote: post #28
krylon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell me the name of the director, producer, or some of the actors? That sounds like a very interesting movie I would like to watch very much. But search for Death Wish only turns up tons and tons of the one with Charles Bronson going postal.

Sorry it's Death Watch!! My fault!! Some sort of a slip! It's a bit slow as a film, but well-done and engaging. Harvey Keitel and Max von Sydow are in it. The director is Bertrand Tavernier.

Thank you!!!

Re: An AI wrote all of David Hasselhoff’s lines in a bizarre short film

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Post by krylon »

themadstork wrote: post #18

Hey, I'm one of the creators of this -- I trained the LSTMs that wrote the computer generated segments in this film. The ballet choreography was generated with a context-free grammar, because I couldn't find enough material to make a ballet choreography LSTM. Here's our film from last year, Sunspring, which was written entirely by an LSTM trained on science fiction screenplays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7x2Ih…

Just wanted to say, that this was a very strange and very interesting experience, and now I'm excited to see what might come out of such experiments a few years down the road!
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