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What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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Follow up posts:

What Is the Female Marriage Penalty?

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/02/what_is_the_fem....

Policy Implications of the Marriage Premium

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/03/policy_implicat....

9 Short Observations about the Marriage Premium

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/03/22_short_argume....

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #6

Would have been interesting to see a breakdown by dual-income vs single-income, unmarried with/without dependants, etc. If you get married, and find yourself supporting a spouse, and potentially, children, you have new motivation to make more money.

On the flip side, if you find yourself with a partner at home who isn't employed, you may work longer or harder because you feel less pressure to cook and clean.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #7

1. Women seek men with high income, 2. Having a housewife leaves the man with more free time to work. See, no need to make a study.

> 2. Having a housewife leaves the man with more free time to work. That's hypothesis 2 of the three that they looked at, that marriage "makes a man a more productive worker". There is a need for a study. What if employers are simply assuming that married men are better workers (hypothesis 3), but married men aren't actually better workers? Than as an unmarried man, I'm getting discriminated against, and marital stat…

No, marriage does not make a man more productive.

A productive man is more likely to get married (He's a good catch)

It's a selection bias on the part of the woman (or man, not that there's anything wrong with that)

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #17

This is pure causation. Men with more income and stability in their lives are more capable of attracting women, therefore more likely to be married. How could they miss such an obvious answer?

"Explanation #1: Ability bias. The causal effect of marriage on male income is smaller than it seems....Maybe income makes it easier to attract a spouse".

Yep. No need to make a study.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #3

They routinely give the men with children/wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples' schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don't have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under 'hu…

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

Of course I'm not objective. I can't be objective since it's my direct experience. I'm also asking you to take my word on me having the overriding reasons. There's too much going on for me to explain fully in an internet forum.

My point is they have two workers vying for the same shift. Overriding corporate policy and business interests would put me on that shift. But they're going with a married guy because he has a kid. That's all I can give you for the circumstances. Judge away.

My judgement is that they're choosing someone based on social standing. I think they'd classify that as 'human capital' in this article.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #3

They routinely give the men with children/wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples' schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don't have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under 'hu…

You say you have "better reasons", childcare is pretty important when you consider all the downstream effects. Are you certain you are objective on this?

It shouldn't matter if his reasons are he wants to sit at home, get high, and eat doritos.

Businesses aren't families, employees shouldn't be discriminated against because another employee needs/wants help.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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There may be one under-reported angle on this.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264513198_Penalizin...

There is clearly a correlation between men having children and men getting higher salaries, and the reverse for women. However, this may reflect the fact that women are more likely to withdraw from work to take care of children (regardless of whether they'd prefer to), and men may double down on work.

Women are more likely to incur a penalty for taking time off due to child care needs, but that is largely because they are more likely to do so in the first place. Men do this much less often. However, there is evidence that the relatively small number of men who do this pay an unusually heavy career penalty for it.

This can be a problem for women. If we reduce the stigma for taking time off and provide generous leave, but only for women, but penalize men for doing this, then we actually end up putting even more pressure on women to carry this obligation.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #3

They routinely give the men with children/wives the better hours, pay, and whatever else at my work. They just changed several peoples' schedules so that my peer could have Saturdays off with his kid. Contrast that with myself: I have requested the same shift and been denied. I don't have kids. I also have better reasons to be on that shift. In my anecdotal experience, it appears classist. I would file that under 'hu…

Of course you were denied, he has standing to ask for time off (his kid) and you don't. Having children is incredibly important to society at large and it makes sense incentivize it, especially at the expense of people who don't have any yet. When you have kids, you will also have access to these perks.

Re: What Is the Male Marriage Premium?

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post #7

1. Women seek men with high income, 2. Having a housewife leaves the man with more free time to work. See, no need to make a study.

> 2. Having a housewife leaves the man with more free time to work. That's hypothesis 2 of the three that they looked at, that marriage "makes a man a more productive worker". There is a need for a study. What if employers are simply assuming that married men are better workers (hypothesis 3), but married men aren't actually better workers? Than as an unmarried man, I'm getting discriminated against, and marital stat…

I forgot 3, then:

3. Employers assume married men, especially if they have children, are hard workers and responsible

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