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iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by louismg »

gmlk wrote: post #16

Why is it so hard to understand? Apple's objective isn't to become the largest. Apple does not see this as a winner-take-all platform war. Apple's core values are all about it's ability to change things, it's ability to think different, it's ability to move forward without obstacles. Apple wants to make, and sell, the best and most beautiful devices they can imagine. For that they don't need to "own the market", thei…

Steve Jobs' comments at D8 underly your take. Apple wants to create greatness and do wonderful things. They are consistent at it. As a Mac user and iPhone and iPad user, I am glad they do. Their innovation pushes the industry.

What I am seeing from Android is not just high market penetration, but also quality. They are doing a good enough job to have me switch. That they offered great quality, in addition to working with a top-notch voice carrier made it easier.

I am rooting for iPhone and Android. I think that's still allowed. :)

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by louismg »

bdr wrote: post #5

I'd rather have speed and battery life than tethering. If "speed and battery life measures are subjective" is all you have to say, that sounds like intentional ignorance.

I would call it shortening. I've talked about Android a lot lately in previous posts, and after a time, it seems redundant. Speed is subjective, and I have seen comments regarding battery life that are all over the map. In my experience, the real-world battery life of EVO is about the same as iPhone 3G.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by hinting »

louismg wrote: post #18
hinting wrote: post #9

How does this stuff get to the top of list? It's 700+ words that ignores basically anything shown today by Apple and instead says only "AT&T sucks!" More generally, flamebait articles that paint this as the great Android vs Apple war are maddening. They are pieces of software, not wrestlers. One does not have to fail for the other to succeed.

No idea how it got to the top of the list. As I said elsewhere, I've talked a lot about Android and iPhone lately already, so I didn't think I needed to recap that here. Sorry if it seemed shallow. Quick summary echoed elsewhere: What I saw today was iPhone achieving parity with some of Android's features. What I also see is Android having more handsets, more manufacturers and carriers, and eventually more users.

What I saw today was iPhone achieving parity with some of Android's features.

Assuming you're the author of the article, you're clearly not paying attention. Show me the android phone that has a 326 dpi screen, a 9mm case, an outrageously good battery life, or the attention to detail that a design-driven company like Apple puts into its products. If you're not willing to admit these things, you're not having an honest discussion.

(And this doesn't even get to the annoying Android v Apple deathmatch fallacy)

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by jonah »

Osiris wrote: post #11

I think it's great that Apple puts so much effort into usability and aesthetics. They put a lot of polish onto their devices and apps that put almost everyone else to shame. It's true that the iPhone was a game changer. It's not surprising to see other companies stepping up to the challenge. As an Android user (myTouch, 128MB RAM sucks), I often wish for the polish of the iPhone and for access to some much better app…

I'd like to see an Android phone with the materials and build quality of the iPhone 4.

They're at a point now where the electronics are powerful enough (for the time being). Additionally with the hiring of the Palm UX team the 2.3+ user experience is sure to receive some much needed polish.

Now can someone build a phone with the materials and production refinement shown in the iPhone which is a BMW to the Android's Honda.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by tomerico »

hinting wrote: post #9

How does this stuff get to the top of list? It's 700+ words that ignores basically anything shown today by Apple and instead says only "AT&T sucks!" More generally, flamebait articles that paint this as the great Android vs Apple war are maddening. They are pieces of software, not wrestlers. One does not have to fail for the other to succeed.

People may have strong feelings on the subject (iPhone vs Android). This may lead to upvoting based on title instead of content.

When this happens, I usually flag the article.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by papachito »

lpolovets wrote: post #8
bdr wrote: post #5

I'd rather have speed and battery life than tethering. If "speed and battery life measures are subjective" is all you have to say, that sounds like intentional ignorance.

Fully agree that both sides of the coin are important. However, of the following potential developments: 1) New Android phones become much faster and/or have longer battery lives 2) New iPhones become much more open and less locked-down I think #1 is much more likely.

Froyo is already much faster.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by louismg »

lpolovets wrote: post #8
bdr wrote: post #5

I'd rather have speed and battery life than tethering. If "speed and battery life measures are subjective" is all you have to say, that sounds like intentional ignorance.

Fully agree that both sides of the coin are important. However, of the following potential developments: 1) New Android phones become much faster and/or have longer battery lives 2) New iPhones become much more open and less locked-down I think #1 is much more likely.

Agreed on this comment 100%.

I think Android is going to have more handsets, manufacturers, carriers, and eventually users. Their products are going to continually improve. The recent past has shown momentum on the innovation side that is lapping iPhone, I believe. I don't think iPhone is going to open up at quite a rate.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by louismg »

tomerico wrote: post #25
hinting wrote: post #9

How does this stuff get to the top of list? It's 700+ words that ignores basically anything shown today by Apple and instead says only "AT&T sucks!" More generally, flamebait articles that paint this as the great Android vs Apple war are maddening. They are pieces of software, not wrestlers. One does not have to fail for the other to succeed.

People may have strong feelings on the subject (iPhone vs Android). This may lead to upvoting based on title instead of content. When this happens, I usually flag the article.

This happens on practically all social networks. Had I been told in advance that it would be submitted for a Hacker News crowd, I would have made some changes. :)

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by louismg »

hinting wrote: post #23
louismg wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea how it got to the top of the list. As I said elsewhere, I've talked a lot about Android and iPhone lately already, so I didn't think I needed to recap that here. Sorry if it seemed shallow. Quick summary echoed elsewhere: What I saw today was iPhone achieving parity with some of Android's features. What I also see is Android having more handsets, more manufacturers and carriers, and eventually more users.

What I saw today was iPhone achieving parity with some of Android's features. Assuming you're the author of the article, you're clearly not paying attention. Show me the android phone that has a 326 dpi screen, a 9mm case, an outrageously good battery life, or the attention to detail that a design-driven company like Apple puts into its products. If you're not willing to admit these things, you're not having an hones…

I am the author and paying attention. I don't intend to quibble over the specs. The ones you mention are 100% correct. This is an honest discussion.

Trying to pick a winner on specs in a battle that is not zero-sum is a fool's errand, so I won't waste your time or mine with that. I am simply glad we can talk about Android or iPhone instead of Microsoft or Symbian. :)

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