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GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said anything about magic - a) they don't use x86, b) they use boards with few unnecessary peripherals, and c) their vendors are perfectly fine with proprietary drivers (-> can't easily reuse their HW). Good luck doing a build with an overall 10W consumption target with x86 and what is essentially desktop HW, especially if it should be affordable (relative to a ~250€ commercial solution) and maintainable (no, no…

I ran an E-350 (20 W TDP) based board for many years and without the idling drives (each about 0.5 W; only system SSD connected) it consumed about 7 W idle. That's well within your 10 W figure - and boards with lower TDPs are available as well (though a lower TDP does not generally imply lower idle power). The replacement system (Sandy Bridge i3) pulls about 25 W in the same scenario, which is fine by me. --- Now you…

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Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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Interesting project for low cost NAS. However, why is it open to air? It seems to me that it would gather quite a bit of dust and be susceptible to damage. Is this required for fanless operation?

As far as fanless micro computers go, they usually tend to go with an enclosed design with the unit itself acting as a giant heat sink. However, with this many disks, maybe it needs an open design? Possibly only for cost.

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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post #19

Though it doesn't run FreeNAS? Or at least something with ZFS.

I don't think FreeNAS has an ARM version at all.

Seems like MediaTek MT7621A is supported in FreeBSD… except… without SATA :D Shouldn't be too hard to add SATA support though…

UPD: oh, they use the ASM1061 PCI SATA controller, that one is supported!

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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post #6

Interesting project for low cost NAS. However, why is it open to air? It seems to me that it would gather quite a bit of dust and be susceptible to damage. Is this required for fanless operation?

They say that fan cooled enclosures collect more dust. I can confirm. I have a ReadyNAS NV+ with a 92mm fan and it accumulates tons of dust extremely quickly.

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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Great idea. One of the points made in the post is "What kind of security is protecting your data? How can you audit that security?" Yet, many people would say that they rather trust their data with Google/Facebook than self-host or use some random provider or host it at home. Is this a common shared sentiment? Just wondering if this opinion is shared among a more technical HN crowd (most of them use gmail even on HN)…

Not shared by me

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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post #6

Interesting project for low cost NAS. However, why is it open to air? It seems to me that it would gather quite a bit of dust and be susceptible to damage. Is this required for fanless operation?

I kind of like the openness for some reason. I have a bunch of USB drives hanging off my NAS laptop retired into NAS. This bee thingy sounds nicer.

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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I'm in the market for a new NAS, but I don't think this would have enough oomph to be very useful. I understand that it's by design, and that I'm probably not the target demographic, as others have pointed out, the 512MB of RAM, lackluster CPU and 2.5" drives are all pretty disappointing. This is estimated to cost $168. For $250, you can get an HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 Entry, which comes with 4GB of ECC RAM, a 2…

Where are you finding the micro server's for $250? The lowest I can find them for is $379 at Amazon. Not exactly a deal.

I'm deciding between drobo (plug'n'play) and a DIY freeNAS right now. If the price is right I'll do the DIY freeNAS.

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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post #8

I'm in the market for a new NAS, but I don't think this would have enough oomph to be very useful. I understand that it's by design, and that I'm probably not the target demographic, as others have pointed out, the 512MB of RAM, lackluster CPU and 2.5" drives are all pretty disappointing. This is estimated to cost $168. For $250, you can get an HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen8 Entry, which comes with 4GB of ECC RAM, a 2…

Where are you finding the micro server's for $250? The lowest I can find them for is $379 at Amazon. Not exactly a deal. I'm deciding between drobo (plug'n'play) and a DIY freeNAS right now. If the price is right I'll do the DIY freeNAS.

I checked quickly on Amazon, which defaults to the UK one [1].

In Denmark, where I live, they go for 1700 DKK[2], which is $242. Want me to ship one for you?

[1]: https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-Enterprise-ProLiant-MicroServer-...

[2]: https://www.computersalg.dk/i/1211353/hpe-proliant-microserv...

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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The big question: what's the actual throughput? 2x1 GBit/s should be 250MB/s (or, after SMB overhead, 200 MB/s) - but even on a beefy QNAP TS-1635 I could get out only 80MB/s despite having a RAID5 of 10x WD RED disks. This tiny thing will not go very far in terms of bandwidth. If you want bandwidth you will need a HW RAID controller.

You realize that (due to load-balancing algorithms) you probably won't see that (theoretical max) 250 MBps to a single device, yes? From one device to the QNAP you'll still see at most 1 Gbps (usually -- there are some exceptions).

Re: GnuBee Personal Cloud 1 – A NAS specifically engineered to run FLOSS

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The big question: what's the actual throughput? 2x1 GBit/s should be 250MB/s (or, after SMB overhead, 200 MB/s) - but even on a beefy QNAP TS-1635 I could get out only 80MB/s despite having a RAID5 of 10x WD RED disks. This tiny thing will not go very far in terms of bandwidth. If you want bandwidth you will need a HW RAID controller.

You realize that (due to load-balancing algorithms) you probably won't see that (theoretical max) 250 MBps to a single device, yes? From one device to the QNAP you'll still see at most 1 Gbps (usually -- there are some exceptions).

Of course I do, in my case the QNAP is connected to the switch using port bonding. Each port gets ~40 MB/s, with multiple clients or with a single client.
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