Today they're trying to assault the passengers character. There may sadly be a place for that if and when they get into court but whomever is giving them this advice to do it now is plainly wrong. It's becoming clearer today that the incident is not just the actions of an individual gate agent but the entire company's culture is toxic.
>Today they're trying to assault the passengers character. Well that makes this even more sickening. Link?
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#23Barely a 2% move @ the moment from last week. And it's up ~20% for the year. Or about dead even for the last 30 days. https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/UAL?p=UAL
So what you're saying is, had they not had this problem, they'd be doing a whole lot better than they are?
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#24Today they're trying to assault the passengers character. There may sadly be a place for that if and when they get into court but whomever is giving them this advice to do it now is plainly wrong. It's becoming clearer today that the incident is not just the actions of an individual gate agent but the entire company's culture is toxic.
>Today they're trying to assault the passengers character. Well that makes this even more sickening. Link?
I think it's a reference to people pulling things from the passenger's past that seem of little relevance.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2017/04/11/d...
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#25The heated rhetoric around this outrage o' the moment is disguising the fact that United isn't culpable for the brutality the person underwent.
I suspect that the imminent next outrage o' the moment will supplant this in people's minds, and some savvy folks will snap up United at a bargain price and make a tidy profit from this affair.
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#26The heated rhetoric around this outrage o' the moment is disguising the fact that United isn't culpable for the brutality the person underwent. I suspect that the imminent next outrage o' the moment will supplant this in people's minds, and some savvy folks will snap up United at a bargain price and make a tidy profit from this affair.
Sure, they weren't the ones who employed the officers who removed the passenger from the plane but things didn't have to work out that way if United had considered that the passenger did nothing wrong to expect to be bumped from a flight. In fact, United had many options at it's disposable that didn't need to involve forceful removal of passengers such as:
1) Upping the compensation considerably beyond $800. To be honest, that's just not enough considering that people routinely get $400+ for moving to a flight 2 hours later and this was moving to 3PM the following day.
2) Not accommodating United employees who they wanted to get on board this flight. That should be only when you have EXCESS seats, not so you can bump off paid passengers. Here's an idea, book them on another airline's flight. If that was not possible, then that's poor planning on your part, find a way to deal with it that doesn't involve bumping passengers involuntarily.
Overbooking flights is going to be norm, a small price we pay to get lower fares. The response when it happens is the problem that is completely in the control of the airlines.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Today they're trying to assault the passengers character. Well that makes this even more sickening. Link?
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/united-ceo-passenger-disrupt...
but now he's apologizing. What an about face.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/11/united-ceo-munoz-apologizes-i...
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#28The heated rhetoric around this outrage o' the moment is disguising the fact that United isn't culpable for the brutality the person underwent. I suspect that the imminent next outrage o' the moment will supplant this in people's minds, and some savvy folks will snap up United at a bargain price and make a tidy profit from this affair.
I think that's open to legal interpretation. I think United is liable. They created the situation and asked officers to remove the individual. Any reasonable person knows that the police are capable of using force to take someone into custody.
Also the Seventh amendment guarantees a civil jury trial.
This was abhorrent and wrong. United should pay dearly and change its policies to prevent something like this from happening ever again.
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#29A time as good as any to revisit the "United breaks guitars" song and videoclip :-) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo
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#30The heated rhetoric around this outrage o' the moment is disguising the fact that United isn't culpable for the brutality the person underwent. I suspect that the imminent next outrage o' the moment will supplant this in people's minds, and some savvy folks will snap up United at a bargain price and make a tidy profit from this affair.
I think that's open to legal interpretation. I think United is liable. They created the situation and asked officers to remove the individual. Any reasonable person knows that the police are capable of using force to take someone into custody. Also the Seventh amendment guarantees a civil jury trial. This was abhorrent and wrong. United should pay dearly and change its policies to prevent something like this from hap…
I doubt you'll get your wish, because we don't run our legal system based on the outrage o' the moment for very good reason.