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Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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They didn't touch his salary. It was his bonus (what they euphemistically describe as his "variable compensation award") that took the hit. Taking a hit to your bonus because you messed up big time is perfectly standard.

"Absolutely standard" for whom? What percentage of the workforce even has one, excluding $50 gift cards and other such token gestures?

I'd assume most tech workers. Most that i'm personally aware of 'bonus' have an individual performance multiplier attached. Can get * 2 or * .5 depending how well you (and/or the company) performed that year.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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Most CEOs are dramatically overpaid.

Overpaid relative to what? Your estimation of perceived value? What do you define as value? How would you even begin to empirically establish what you're saying? Executive compensation is a construct of market consensus, not an absolute based on individual performance. The tangible value contributed by chief executive staff is one component of the compensation package, and what is valuable to the board or shareholder…

> Overpaid relative to what? Your estimation of perceived value? What do you define as value? How would you even begin to empirically establish what you're saying?

Some research has been trying to answer these questions, for example the MSCI study [1]. Anyone can play around with the collected data of public companies, for example the WSJ data model is kind of nice [2].

As a passive index small-time investor, this is of keen interest to me. My theory is passive indexing can potentially be supplemented in the future by specific value-oriented long-term Buffett-style investments in companies that establish a track record of promulgating a culture that successfully selects CEO's who deliver sustainable (5+ years) returns to shareholders, and CEO compensation linked tightly to such results is one of the signaling indicators I look for to draw attention to such possible organizations. Thus far in the US, I see very few companies who can pull this off, and unfortunately, they are all private, and precise returns are fuzzier than public companies and only theoretical.

I do not need five sigma results to discern actionable data. But the consistently relatively poor performance of CEO compensation to sustainable shareholder returns is one of my confirmation signals that passive broad indexing still works (like some fellow passive indexers, I believe under some specific conditions, the strategy will not work). If price discovery is broken in the CEO compensation market, then I'm better off ignoring it until it works.

Definitely YMMV. My style is not your style. Investing isn't my day job, and it isn't even my hobby; it is simply a facet of modern current life that I carry out as a duty, like flossing. I select for a strategy that can return results I can relatively count upon over long (20+ year) periods, with very little personal time ([1] http://chiefexecutive.net/higher-ceo-pay-produce-better-comp...

[2] http://graphics.wsj.com/ceopay-2015/

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Absolutely standard" for whom? What percentage of the workforce even has one, excluding $50 gift cards and other such token gestures?

I'd assume most tech workers. Most that i'm personally aware of 'bonus' have an individual performance multiplier attached. Can get * 2 or * .5 depending how well you (and/or the company) performed that year.

Haven't had one for the last 5 years.

The job I'm starting in next month has though.

Here in Norway bonuses doesn't seem to be considered mandatory.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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This is a good example of why CEO pay is wrong. In any normal job, if your salary gets "slashed", you quit your job. Doesn't this undermine the argument that CEOs need outrageous salaries to be incentivized to work, if you slash their salary, and they keep working?

They didn't touch his salary. It was his bonus (what they euphemistically describe as his "variable compensation award") that took the hit. Taking a hit to your bonus because you messed up big time is perfectly standard.

If you messed up you in some cases (depends on the messing up, but this one qualifies for me) lose job, not just get smaller bonus.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't touch his salary. It was his bonus (what they euphemistically describe as his "variable compensation award") that took the hit. Taking a hit to your bonus because you messed up big time is perfectly standard.

"Absolutely standard" for whom? What percentage of the workforce even has one, excluding $50 gift cards and other such token gestures?

Nearly every profession in the United States. CPAs, law firms, architects, etc.

I can't speak for the trades as I have no experience their but I imagine licensed plumbers and electricians that work for large companies get bonuses as well.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't touch his salary. It was his bonus (what they euphemistically describe as his "variable compensation award") that took the hit. Taking a hit to your bonus because you messed up big time is perfectly standard.

"Absolutely standard" for whom? What percentage of the workforce even has one, excluding $50 gift cards and other such token gestures?

"Absolutely standard" for the financial industry, which is the context for this story. It's an industry well known for having a large part of compensation paid as a performance-based bonus.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't touch his salary. It was his bonus (what they euphemistically describe as his "variable compensation award") that took the hit. Taking a hit to your bonus because you messed up big time is perfectly standard.

"Absolutely standard" for whom? What percentage of the workforce even has one, excluding $50 gift cards and other such token gestures?

A bonus that is designed to reward individual performance/behavior is the ideal place to cut when individual performance/behavior suffers.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd assume most tech workers. Most that i'm personally aware of 'bonus' have an individual performance multiplier attached. Can get * 2 or * .5 depending how well you (and/or the company) performed that year.

Haven't had one for the last 5 years. The job I'm starting in next month has though. Here in Norway bonuses doesn't seem to be considered mandatory.

If it's mandatory, then it's not a bonus. It's just salary.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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"Absolutely standard" for whom? What percentage of the workforce even has one, excluding $50 gift cards and other such token gestures?

I would hope that many (if not most) white-collar workers are getting some kind of profit sharing bonus, Christmas bonus, employee of the month, or some kind of incentive for a job well done beyond the bare minimum performance your salary is meant to represent. Certainly every office job I've ever had I've gotten periodic bonuses for doing a good job, and I've also not received bonuses in times when I did not do a go…

You would hope in vain then.

Re: Barclays CEO pay slashed after he tried to identify whistleblower

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't had one for the last 5 years. The job I'm starting in next month has though. Here in Norway bonuses doesn't seem to be considered mandatory.

If it's mandatory, then it's not a bonus. It's just salary.

Poor wording from my side I guess. I mean it seems like some companies has to offer bonuses to attract talent while only very successful companies or companies that sometimes compete for top talent offer it for engineers here.
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