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Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by phpnode »

coldtea wrote: post #14
thomask0 wrote: post #7

Should not come as a surprise... https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15687/code-review-maledic... https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened

> https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened Actually it's the author of the rant that comes of as totally uninformed and with unwarranted snark to boot. https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/242

The responses in that thread give me a headache, has the daily wtf forum always been such a wasteland? One of the replies is "someone posted your software to the daily wtf so there MUST be a problem with your software, you should just accept it and here's how you should respond". Maddening

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by contingencies »

In Samsung HQ in Suwon, Korea, back in 2010 in the leadup to the launch of the Galaxy device series, each individual OS had its own literal skyscraper in the HQ campus. One for BadaOS, one for Android, one for Windows Mobile. I don't think they communicated at all, as a general rule. Even in the Android one where I was working, the whole floor was nominal software guys but only one knew how to compile the firmware everyone was working on! They actually had to fly in a team of low-level programmers from Samsung India to get the device firmware up to speed in time for the hardware launch. It was an extremely interesting organization to spend a few days in from an anthropological perspective, but I left swearing that if the experience was a vision of the future I wanted no part of it.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by Neliquat »

stuaxo wrote: post #10
iamacynic wrote: post #9

everything i've ever purchased from samsung has broken. i just don't even consider their gear now.

They have always had nice hardware and terrible, terrible software - way back in the J2ME days Samsung were the bain of my life.

Exactly. I love my galaxy but rooted and flashed it immediately. The bloatware was uncomfortably pervasive, specifically on my carrier. I have other samsung devices, and have had few non firmware issues.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

#24

Post by graton »

coldtea wrote: post #14
thomask0 wrote: post #7

Should not come as a surprise... https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15687/code-review-maledic... https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened

> https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened Actually it's the author of the rant that comes of as totally uninformed and with unwarranted snark to boot. https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/242

Not when I read the replies to that reply.

  @Carsten_Haitzler said:

  as for the "you bitch" comment. that does not appear anywhere inside efl at asll. i can only assume you are full of bullshit here as with a lot of the prior "facts" you have disclosed, as a grep through our codebase for efl and elementary shows no such string:

  core/efl.git - EFL core libraries
  evas - change error out from bitch to complain - cosmetic changeHEADmaster
  committer Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) raster@rasterman.com	2015-03-11 12:59:01 (GMT)

  F#*k off.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by pg_is_a_butt »

demarq wrote: post #19

Is it that big industrial corporations are bad at creating code? Toyota, samsung, synaptic. I'm really beggining to think that code should be left to smaller and medium sized outfits. i.e samsung should buy or hire a small startup to independently develop and grow their next ecosystem. Large enterprises just seem too clumsy pull pull it off unless they wholly dedicate themselves to developing that one piece of techno…

yeah, and big pharma should pushing opiates...

you're all idiots.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by coldtea »

phpnode wrote: post #21
coldtea wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened Actually it's the author of the rant that comes of as totally uninformed and with unwarranted snark to boot. https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/242

The responses in that thread give me a headache, has the daily wtf forum always been such a wasteland? One of the replies is "someone posted your software to the daily wtf so there MUST be a problem with your software, you should just accept it and here's how you should respond". Maddening

Yes.

And they even scold the author of the software for responding in an emotional tone, while the whole "wtf" rant was full of personal attacks (and misunderstanding C programming, not bothering with facts etc).

And thusly, a website originally created for people to point to actual coding WTFs by incompetent programmers is running posts by incompetent users, voted by other incompetent users.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by throw81001 »

throw81001 wrote: post #16

Tizen was/is mostly built out of a Samsung subsidiary in Warsaw, Poland. (Several thousand software engineers in total.) I worked with Polish software engineers for a western company that used the same outsourcing method during the same time that Tizen was being built. We had hires from Samsung and they had hires from us. I think that what I witnessed at our company (which I won't name) is representative for what Sam…

My assessment after having a few years perspective:

- There's quite a big span between the average level to high level to top level when it comes to polish devs. Specifically, it goes a lot lever than what I'm used to. It goes high too, though, but those individuals are not necessarily cheaper than a western european employee of the same calibre (probably similar).

- (Engineering) Management culture is totally whacko and quite a bit behind the western world. I blame the machoismo.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by itcmcgrath »

demarq wrote: post #19

Is it that big industrial corporations are bad at creating code? Toyota, samsung, synaptic. I'm really beggining to think that code should be left to smaller and medium sized outfits. i.e samsung should buy or hire a small startup to independently develop and grow their next ecosystem. Large enterprises just seem too clumsy pull pull it off unless they wholly dedicate themselves to developing that one piece of techno…

The counter arguments include Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc.

I think the big vs small comparison is flawed. I've seen some atrocious code produced by small/medium sized outfits. My fondest memory including auditing code from a 3 person outfit who's code quite literally setup an RPC on the server that executed any string it was sent, verbatim, against a database that handled money.

Re: Samsung's Tizen is riddled with security flaws, amateurishly written

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Post by lfowles »

graton wrote: post #24
coldtea wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened Actually it's the author of the rant that comes of as totally uninformed and with unwarranted snark to boot. https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15001/enlightened/242

Not when I read the replies to that reply. @Carsten_Haitzler said: as for the "you bitch" comment. that does not appear anywhere inside efl at asll. i can only assume you are full of bullshit here as with a lot of the prior "facts" you have disclosed, as a grep through our codebase for efl and elementary shows no such string: core/efl.git - EFL core libraries evas - change error out from bitch to complain - cosmetic…

A little bit more context I had to go look up: the response is also dated 11 Mar 2015
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