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VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

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Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#21

I think the bigger hole is DNS. Full-tunnel VPNs to primarily TLS-encrypted sites seems like overkill. Encrypted DNS plus an "HTTPS Everywhere" plugin should obfuscate enough info for most people without significantly affecting latency.

The IP addresses are still there in the clear. VPNs for everyone for everything is the only long term answer to this problem and others like anticompetitive zero rating practices.

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#22
One thing I was wondering, beyond your own personal ISP, does this mean that the backbone providers, the Level 3's of the world, are going to get into selling data to advertisers? I was feeling personally ok because I use an ISP with a strong privacy pledge, but I wonder if their uplink is going to be selling my data. Though I guess it's less of a concern since the backbones don't have the complete personally identifying info that the customer ISPs have.

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#23

The solution to all of this is educating the population. VPN tech is cheaper and more likely to succeed.

Especially if the VPN Provider is a shell company of the NSA or CIA!

On the contrary, Hanlon's razor could just assume good intentioned VPN hosts failing to secure their design by negligence or ignorance of broken protocols.

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#24
post #22

One thing I was wondering, beyond your own personal ISP, does this mean that the backbone providers, the Level 3's of the world, are going to get into selling data to advertisers? I was feeling personally ok because I use an ISP with a strong privacy pledge, but I wonder if their uplink is going to be selling my data. Though I guess it's less of a concern since the backbones don't have the complete personally identif…

Frankly I'm surprised they aren't doing this already.

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#25

No, they're not. The solution is getting strong, enforced laws that protect our privacy and punish those who break them. But for the moment, with advertisers viewing themselves as gods gift to the internet who think that all your information belongs to them simply by virtue of existing, and who will go to great lengths to acquire and store it all (for perpetuity), a solution is needed, and part of that is VPN's.

How do VPNs protect you against advertisers?

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#26

No, they're not. The solution is getting strong, enforced laws that protect our privacy and punish those who break them. But for the moment, with advertisers viewing themselves as gods gift to the internet who think that all your information belongs to them simply by virtue of existing, and who will go to great lengths to acquire and store it all (for perpetuity), a solution is needed, and part of that is VPN's.

In general, you can still identify users for advertising purposes without knowing their IP address.

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#27
post #22

One thing I was wondering, beyond your own personal ISP, does this mean that the backbone providers, the Level 3's of the world, are going to get into selling data to advertisers? I was feeling personally ok because I use an ISP with a strong privacy pledge, but I wonder if their uplink is going to be selling my data. Though I guess it's less of a concern since the backbones don't have the complete personally identif…

If I was a betting man - backbone providers don't do this (sell to advertisers).

It would be costly to maintain the interception/analysis infrastructure required for such data collection.

I daresay it would cost more than what they would make off the data.

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#28

No, they're not. The solution is getting strong, enforced laws that protect our privacy and punish those who break them. But for the moment, with advertisers viewing themselves as gods gift to the internet who think that all your information belongs to them simply by virtue of existing, and who will go to great lengths to acquire and store it all (for perpetuity), a solution is needed, and part of that is VPN's.

How do VPNs protect you against advertisers?

Because ISPs can't read your traffic

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#29

A heads up: theres a really nice project called Streisand[1] which provides a multi-protocol VPN with very little effort. You can launch one on a cheap cloud provider (like DO, if their policy allows). [1] https://github.com/jlund/streisand

I've had a few problems getting it running on AWS but setup was a breeze on GCE. So far it's been cheaper (and safer) than most VPN providers I've seen. YMMV

Re: VPNs are not the solution to a policy problem

#30
Ya, this sucks... a lot. VPNs are a start with existing tech. I firmly believe new technology will solve this problem. Encryption everywhere. Overlay networks. New fully encrypted and annonymized DNS systems. Digital currency incentivizations. Policy helps but in the absence of policy technology will find a solution.
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