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Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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So someone bought the PDF ebook, uploaded it to Amazon to be printed on demand and to be sold there?

Something like that, but in quantity. The copies we've seen were sold directly by Amazon. Push the main buy button and that's what you got. Counterfeits.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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So someone bought the PDF ebook, uploaded it to Amazon to be printed on demand and to be sold there?

Yep. Looks like it. And from @danjoc's comment, the book in question "Python for Kids" has been uploaded to google drive by someone and it's out there... This was (and still is) 1 major factor holding me back from trying to publish a technical book. They are so easily pirated.

So far incidents like these are rare. We won't stop selling drm-free e-books and our sales have gone up every year for the last 20 years. This is clearly a problem that needs to be solved and with enough attention paid to it by consumers I have to believe that Amazon will begin to do something about it. At least I hope so.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Amazon does indeed print books through its Createspace print-on-demand division. It’s been used by hundreds of thousands of self-publishers but also indie presses seeking to sell additional copies without investing in a big offset print run. If the pirate attempted to use an existing ISBN (required to match up the listings) I am pretty sure Createspace would automatically flag it [ETA: Not so sure anymore. See http:/…

In the case of the counterfeit copies of Linux Command Line sold through Amazon, those were printed by CreateSpace in violation of copyright. That is certain. From what we can tell that is also the case here.

This is terrible. The infuriating thing is if Amazon actually does anything, the scammers still get off with no penalty other than having their seller and Createspace accounts suspended.

If you don't mind me asking, is there a POD block printed on the bottom of the last blank page? Typically it's a barcode and something like "Printed in USA, Lexington KY" and the date.

Also on the Twitter thread someone mentioned that the contents were copied from a PDF you sell on the site -- are they the same press-ready PDFs used for the book, or PDFs formatted for 8.5 x 11? I ask because we sell PDFs too for letter-sized paper, and I always assumed it would be difficult to pirate for a 6x9 how-to guide.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Amazon does indeed print books through its Createspace print-on-demand division. It’s been used by hundreds of thousands of self-publishers but also indie presses seeking to sell additional copies without investing in a big offset print run. If the pirate attempted to use an existing ISBN (required to match up the listings) I am pretty sure Createspace would automatically flag it [ETA: Not so sure anymore. See http:/…

Interestingly Kindle Direct Publishing does/did do some sort of content check. They flagged me because some of the book content in something I was publishing a few years back was adapted from various blog posts that I had written. I just had to send them some links and confirm that I was the copyright holder or otherwise had rights to use the material.

As far as I remember though, the same book wasn't flagged by Createspace.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Its ridiculous the amount of energy and effort you have to waste in order to find a product that you don't suspect as being counterfeit on Amazon these days. The other day, I wanted a super bright flashlight that ran on AAA batteries and was of decent quality and price. I had to pour over the millions of listed flashlights, most looking physically identical, with the exception of the brand name printed on the flashli…

I only buy when is sold directly "by amazon" if the seller is not amazon then all bets are off.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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This sucks, doubly so because it's No Starch Press. They've got some great stuff and their books have a better feel than a lot of other tech books. Something about the cover, binding, and the paper they use feels really nice.

We put a lot of thought into the paper and cover finish on all of our titles. I like to produce books that I would buy. These cheap-looking knockoffs are painful to see.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Amazon does indeed print books through its Createspace print-on-demand division. It’s been used by hundreds of thousands of self-publishers but also indie presses seeking to sell additional copies without investing in a big offset print run. If the pirate attempted to use an existing ISBN (required to match up the listings) I am pretty sure Createspace would automatically flag it [ETA: Not so sure anymore. See http:/…

Depends on how amazon's lawyers looked at it. I suspect they assumed that section 230 of the CDA, and the DMCA would cover them. However because physical paper copies are being generated that voids both the protections provided by both laws. Amazon is most likely criminally and civilly liable here.

I am not a lawyer and nothing here should be considered legal advice merely personal opinion

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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As a "Content Creator" and frequent advocate for U.S. Copyright Reform, this is one of the few instances where I think the full willful infringement penalty is absolutely justified. There's only a paper thin "Well they didn't inspect every book!" defense, which immediately falls apart when Amazon is making money by way of the transactions and doing market harm to the actual Copyright holder. It's not "incidental" infringement like photocopying a chapter from a book and emailing around the office or the Amazon corporate mailing list. That's more innocent. This is some straight up commercial hustle we're talking about.

I'm tired of the refrain "It's too much effort / money / investment to check X, Y, Z on our system" when that system is the only goddamn reason a company exists in the first place. Want to be a Middle Man? You get the Profits and Responsibilities of one. Caveat venditor.

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