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FB knows so much about you. You age, your likes, your friends, your location, etc. This allows for very precise targeting of ads compared with say a billboard. This combined with the amount of time it's billion plus users spend on the site.
The whole thing is built on the underlying assumption that people will remain loyal to this platform. Right?
Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
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Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
#22The advertisement industry moves an insane amount of money. People pay up to several dollars for a single potential customer ending up on their website(s).
(Check out the pricing on Adwords for serious medical conditions some time.)
Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
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The company most likely have a Facebook conversion pixel on their site to record user activity (i.e. you buying a product) which is passed back to FB, and you've been retargeted by another company who have stipulated that they want their ads shown to people who are interested in drain cleaner or similar. https://www.facebook.com/business/help/651294705016616 They haven't linked your credit card.
I should have clarified. I purchased it in a physical store. No loyalty card or such. Just, I paid for it with a credit card. I've never before seen an ad for a drain cleaner on FB. I've a pretty good memory for such things. P.S. I made no mention of using it, nor of the situation with the drain, on FB.
You also never searched for anything related to slow drains or how to handle them on any of your machines? Or anyone else in the household? Anything in browser history that would have identified a page.
This just seems like one of those areas where credit card companies or banks would be opening themselves up for some pretty large lawsuits.
/me rushes to cancel some purchases of goods he doesn't want his kids to see him being retargetted for
Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
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So here's the thing I don't understand: After buying some drain cleaner, the mighty machine learning algorithms created by the best of the best ivy league grads comes up with the perfect ad to show you: An ad for more draincleaner.
Amazon is actually really really good at this :-) They follow me all over the internet for _weeks_ to show me ads about a product that I have already purchased via amazon itself !
I suspect there are two factors at play. One might be a chinese wall between search/ads and purchasing. There might be regulatory restrictions about using purchasing data, so they legally can't use it. And in the absence of precognition about anything else you want, ads for something you were looking for recently probably perform pretty well for re-capturing those drop-offs vs. the alternative (random goods?).
The other one (and this is less about Amazon) is that the algorithms aren't driven by machines, it's by people. Generally the computer looks at all the ads, calculates the likelihood that you'll click on each one, and multiplies that by the price of that ad to get expected value. Then it just shows you the top n sorted by expected value decreasing. Some of that calculation depends on user behavior (like lowering the percentage the more often you see the ad), but a lot of it depends on what advertisers are willing to pay. And those people are human. They're guessing what you are likely to search for when you need their services or reading articles about their topics. And they have shockingly little control over how to target users.
Whenever I hear someone say "Google is selling your information" I urge them to set up an AdWords account and try to buy some information. I have one set up for my own name (useful when interviewing to help guide people to me instead of similarly named people, and to exert influence over the content associated with me). I have my CPC set to $0.05 with a max of $1/day and no funding unless I want it to start showing up. It was highly educational.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
#25The advertisement industry moves an insane amount of money. People pay up to several dollars for a single potential customer ending up on their website(s).
People pay up to several hundred dollars for a single customer ending up on their website, in some industries. (Check out the pricing on Adwords for serious medical conditions some time.)
Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
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I should have clarified. I purchased it in a physical store. No loyalty card or such. Just, I paid for it with a credit card. I've never before seen an ad for a drain cleaner on FB. I've a pretty good memory for such things. P.S. I made no mention of using it, nor of the situation with the drain, on FB.
I'd be very surprised if this actually came via credit card. I'd believe a loyalty program. You also never searched for anything related to slow drains or how to handle them on any of your machines? Or anyone else in the household? Anything in browser history that would have identified a page. This just seems like one of those areas where credit card companies or banks would be opening themselves up for some pretty l…
The supermarket I shopped at got rid of its longstanding loyalty card, a couple of years ago. They still have some coupon thing I refuse to use, and a card for a gas price break, that I also don't use.
As far as I know, credit card companies are not prohibited from sharing/selling your detailed history. Not in the U.S., at least.
I have speculated that the supermarket got rid of its loyalty card in part because, with so many people shopping with credit/debit cards these days, they could still identify most customers by the card they paid with.
It might then in turn be possible that they sold my activity to whatever ad network and/or Facebook.
But, I'm betting on the bank.
Regardless, I've never before received an ad for drain cleaner on FB. And this is not the only case where FB ads have followed shortly upon some unique experience that those ads then in turn related to.
Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
#27The advertisement industry moves an insane amount of money. People pay up to several dollars for a single potential customer ending up on their website(s).
People pay up to several hundred dollars for a single customer ending up on their website, in some industries. (Check out the pricing on Adwords for serious medical conditions some time.)
Re: Ask HN: Why is Facebook's data worth that much? How is it used?
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The whole thing is built on the underlying assumption that people will remain loyal to this platform. Right?
Advertisement platforms extend beyond single platforms. Google Ads are on every website in the Internet, and Facebook ads are on other sites too. So even if you don't have a Facebook account and never visit Facebook itself, you will see their ads and they will start following you around and start collecting data on you.