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Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by oxide »

kristopolous wrote: post #11
lawless123 wrote: post #6

Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..

There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...

As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by raverbashing »

distances wrote: post #12
raverbashing wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I wonder who would that be... Doesn't seem like a very advanced hack to be honest, and "twitter services" are a constant source of account compromises

To be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions clearly or kept them private.

And to be honest I find this kind of passive-agressiveness unneeded and fairly cynical. You should have avoided typing that because you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion, and you missed the point of a rhetorical question and showed ignorance of the current political status of Turkish/NE relations, added to that the bigger geopolitical context.

You must be fun at parties

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by raverbashing »

lawless123 wrote: post #15
distances wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions clearly or kept them private.

Ok to be clear , right before multiple European elections , Putins new pal Erdogan is inciting riots, calling people Nazis because they didn't want to host his rallies for a domestic Turkish issue. Obviously these have some domestic benefit for Erdogan but also for far right European parties, many of which already have some financial links to Russia. http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...

I'm 50/50 on it actually being Erdogan supporters or something more "norteastern"in origin.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by raverbashing »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #16
tomp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.

The stance taken wasn't against Turks or Muslims though. It was against an authoritarian ruler campaigning in another country to grab even more power for himself.

Exactly this

The one with dictatorial tendencies here is Erdogan

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by teekert »

raverbashing wrote: post #25
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stance taken wasn't against Turks or Muslims though. It was against an authoritarian ruler campaigning in another country to grab even more power for himself.

Exactly this The one with dictatorial tendencies here is Erdogan

I agree, but the PM (Rutte) and his party are definitely benefiting. He had many opportunities before to go harder on Erdogan i.e. when Erdogan bought oil from IS but "we" needed him to keep refugees out of Europe.

The stance is certainly not against Muslims although people might feel it that way. It is against the fact the pro-Erdogan Turks and anti-Erdogan Turks and Curds etc cause unrest in the Netherlands. Most people are welcoming of other cultures but not when they bring their political unrest with them. This whole circus was a signal to Turkey to keep Turkish politics within Turkey. Still, I'm certain our PM would have been less strong if there weren't any elections.

I don't understand Erdogan though, he called on the dutch Turks to not vote for the current PM and Geert Wilders (PVV, far right, anti immigration, pro Netherlands), and now this?! He must know that the couple of Turks that will listen to this will be overwhelmed by Dutchies wanting to vote anything that Erdogan doesn't like... It's like he is intentionally putting oil on the fire, helping PVV. Why is the very important questions, what does he or some other party have to gain? Who benefits from poor EU/Turkey relations?

Edit: after thinking some more: Of course Erdogan is the one who benefits greatly from the created "us against them sentiment" of the Turks. It distracts from all the turmoil and the approaching power grab.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by raverbashing »

teekert wrote: post #26
raverbashing wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this The one with dictatorial tendencies here is Erdogan

I agree, but the PM (Rutte) and his party are definitely benefiting. He had many opportunities before to go harder on Erdogan i.e. when Erdogan bought oil from IS but "we" needed him to keep refugees out of Europe. The stance is certainly not against Muslims although people might feel it that way. It is against the fact the pro-Erdogan Turks and anti-Erdogan Turks and Curds etc cause unrest in the Netherlands. Most p…

Better late than never

If what it takes for them to do the right thing if fear of losing power to another candidate, so be it.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by Algent »

magickbirdy wrote: post #24

...or maybe someone is trying to defame Erdogan by associating Erdogan with Nazi?

He is pushing for a referendum that remind Europe of how Nazi Germany started. To "defame" someone it must be false or attack his honour. This hack is just going along the lines he traced.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by threeseed »

oxide wrote: post #21
kristopolous wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...

As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.

This will be known as the social media era of politics. For good (greater engagement, faster news dissemination) and for bad (staggering polarisation, fake news).

I think this will persist for quite some time e.g decades until the next era arrives which will see more earth-friendly, people-centric, less capitalist views come to the fore e.g base income, renewable at all costs etc as automation and climate change reek havoc.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

#30

Post by kristopolous »

oxide wrote: post #21
kristopolous wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...

As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.

I'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1])

You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and create a coarsely accurate depiction of history over those 45 years. You can even have a little side story about things like the 1985 "We Are the World" charity song without missing a beat.

In the long run, things like Facebook and Snapchat will probably be as relevant and well-known as say, the Pacific Mail Steamship Company. Never heard of it? It's a charter member of the Dow Jones Transportation Average (the predecessor to the DJIA) and an important company from the 1800s ...

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/think-todays-ref...

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