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Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by cyberferret »

As an Australian resident, but of sub-continental descent, I am re-evaluating travel plans to visit the US again. Love the place, have friends and colleagues there, but just not wanting to put up with the risks & hassle involved.

It is interesting that a Middle Eastern carrier is reporting a drop like this. It would be a good exercise to compare the ME->USA travel statistic against their other routes. I know that Emirates is a popular carrier here (Australia) to get to Europe etc. Also would be interesting to corroborate against statistics from Qantas, Cathay Pacific etc. as well as other ME carriers like Etihad.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by mandeepj »

nojvek wrote: post #2

I can imagine that. I am a permanent resident of US but for the fact that I am brown, I am avoiding all unnecessary trips. Going through TSA is a very uncomfortable experience.

Not trying to berate your experience. Touchwood, I never had any problem with TSA. I have got myself TSA pre. My total time for security check at O'hare and LAX is between 2-5 mins. There have been times when TSA officials were cracking jokes with me.

Edit - let me share a small story with you. It is from the times when I was on EAD (about 4,5 years ago). I was returning from India to Chicago. Immigration office told me there will an additional check so they asked me to follow another officer. The area had lot of chairs and TVs. While, I was waiting for my return of my passport, I saw another guy sleeping on 5,6 chairs. A TSA officer came and telling him while shaking his body to try to wake him up - "hey! wake up. You can go home" :-)

P.S - english is my 2nd language so please pardon my grammar.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by reacharavindh »

tajen wrote: post #17
reacharavindh wrote: post #11

I guess I added to that 35%. I'm a brown guy(Indian) with a beard amd often mistaken for middle eastern. I live in the US. I put off International travel plans because of all the craziness going around. They weren't essential travel though. I would've, but now I saved up some money before I move out of the US permanently in July ;-)

So... which country earned your respect? Out of interest in people's perception of human rights.

Moving not because I don't respect the opportunities in the US, or that the country has treated me so badly that I wanna escape and go somewhere. But because I had to make a choice between settling down in the USA vs settling down in Denmark. Current political climate and the prospects of this administration didn't do much to convince me that USA was any better.

If anything, I'm thankful to the USA for many things in the last 6 years I lived here. Most of it for the awesome friends I made here. But, my Visa always reminded me that I'm just a visitor, and the ~10 year wait for a green card doesn't really make the USA attractive to me anymore.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by codecamper »

I would like to see SV leaders stand up to this garbage. Make public statements saying that you will be moving more jobs out of the US because of Trump's actions.

I don't know why people have down voted this. Trump has all the markings of a fascist. Fascists must be dealt with... you don't just tiptoe around them.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by shambala »

reacharavindh wrote: post #23
tajen wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... which country earned your respect? Out of interest in people's perception of human rights.

Moving not because I don't respect the opportunities in the US, or that the country has treated me so badly that I wanna escape and go somewhere. But because I had to make a choice between settling down in the USA vs settling down in Denmark. Current political climate and the prospects of this administration didn't do much to convince me that USA was any better. If anything, I'm thankful to the USA for many things in…

How did you get into Denmark? I heard they shut down their Green card scheme.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by shambala »

mandeepj wrote: post #22
nojvek wrote: post #2

I can imagine that. I am a permanent resident of US but for the fact that I am brown, I am avoiding all unnecessary trips. Going through TSA is a very uncomfortable experience.

Not trying to berate your experience. Touchwood, I never had any problem with TSA. I have got myself TSA pre. My total time for security check at O'hare and LAX is between 2-5 mins. There have been times when TSA officials were cracking jokes with me. Edit - let me share a small story with you. It is from the times when I was on EAD (about 4,5 years ago). I was returning from India to Chicago. Immigration office told…

Same here. I am brown, US passport, have never had any problems reentering the US. One time I even had a full on beard, and looked very disheveled and disoriented. Ambled on in.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by Mikeb85 »

codecamper wrote: post #24

I would like to see SV leaders stand up to this garbage. Make public statements saying that you will be moving more jobs out of the US because of Trump's actions. I don't know why people have down voted this. Trump has all the markings of a fascist. Fascists must be dealt with... you don't just tiptoe around them.

Pretty sure that's a terrible idea.

Like the law or not, that's who your nation voted for, and the government has the power to make life very difficult for corporations.

Also, let's be real here. The travel ban doesn't affect these SV companies. How many employees are going to be coming from Syria, Iran or Yemen?. Are the positive optics worth the difficulties? The public is already weary of corporations becoming too powerful, this will only feed into that distrust, and possibly alienate ~50% of the population.

Political statements in either direction are almost always a losing proposition for corporations.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by sandworm101 »

vinay427 wrote: post #6
chrisper wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brown like Indian or Brown like Arabic? Does it even make a difference?

Decidedly anecdotal: Not the OP but I am brown like Indian with a non-Muslim name and have never had any extra scrutiny at security, except for one "random" screening on my boarding pass that involved some TSA swab check. I am a citizen, but I haven't heard of any non-citizen family friends or relatives that have expressed anything out of the ordinary.

> ...anything out of the ordinary.

I'm Canadian. White. Blonde. I'm often mistaken for a soldier. After possibly hundreds of trips in and out of the US spanning four decades, last month the guy at YVR asked me "what religion are you?" That was strange. I didn't have a ready answer and I'm someone who always has a ready answer for boarder guards. I actually said "Well, when my grandfather died we had a ceremony at a church. Is that enough?"

Have you ever been arrested? No. Have you ever been finger printed? Yes. Have you ever been to the middle east? Yes. Are you carrying food? No. What religion are you? .... wtf did that become a thing?

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by reacharavindh »

shambala wrote: post #25
reacharavindh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving not because I don't respect the opportunities in the US, or that the country has treated me so badly that I wanna escape and go somewhere. But because I had to make a choice between settling down in the USA vs settling down in Denmark. Current political climate and the prospects of this administration didn't do much to convince me that USA was any better. If anything, I'm thankful to the USA for many things in…

How did you get into Denmark? I heard they shut down their Green card scheme.

Haven't gotten into Denmark yet. My girlfriend is Austrian and we're moving there together. AFAIK, I get a residence and work permit as we're moving together and that she is a EU national who would be working as a Asst.Professor there.

Re: Emirates Says Bookings to the U.S. Fell by 35% After the First Travel Ban

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Post by jackweirdy »

mandeepj wrote: post #22
nojvek wrote: post #2

I can imagine that. I am a permanent resident of US but for the fact that I am brown, I am avoiding all unnecessary trips. Going through TSA is a very uncomfortable experience.

Not trying to berate your experience. Touchwood, I never had any problem with TSA. I have got myself TSA pre. My total time for security check at O'hare and LAX is between 2-5 mins. There have been times when TSA officials were cracking jokes with me. Edit - let me share a small story with you. It is from the times when I was on EAD (about 4,5 years ago). I was returning from India to Chicago. Immigration office told…

TSA Pre can help, but if you have a similar name to someone on a watchlist or no-fly list you can still get stopped.

If anyone reading this is consistently stopped unfairly, or faces extra delays when ticket agents print their boarding card, you should use DHS TRIP (Traveler Redress Inquiry Program)

https://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip

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