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Re: Comcast-Owned Vox Runs Commercial for Comcast’s $500M Snapchat Investment

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Post by JoshTko »

_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

My impression of New Yorker as an unbaliased source of news has significantly declined over the past few years. They clearly have a specific liberal perspective. Maybe subtle in their bias but nonetheless a persistent and one sided one.

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Post by JoshTko »

_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

My impression of New Yorker as an unbaliased source of news has significantly declined over the past few years. They clearly have a specific liberal perspective. Maybe subtle in their bias but nonetheless a persistent and one sided one.

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Post by oculusthrift »

_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

it definitely has an anti-trump bias but i actually enjoy it. their philosophy is to actually educate the reader about issues rather than just tell the newest facts. i.e. instead of saying a bill was vetoed, they'll go into the history of similiar bills and what the bill had in it and why it was rejected. while most sites would just tell you it was rejected.

Re: Comcast-Owned Vox Runs Commercial for Comcast’s $500M Snapchat Investment

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Post by shas3 »

OedipusRex wrote: post #12
_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

I'd argue that Vox is closer to MSM than it's viewer's would like to believe. They're fact-lite and heavy on opinion; every party has 'em. That being said I watch everything they put out on YouTube. Some of it's really good.

MSM bias reflects primarily in opinions and reporting decisions. Most important events are reported by MSM in an unbiased fashion, as are (often) investigative reports. Vox does almost no original reporting and is just in the business of mixing up other news reports and opinionizing. In this, they are highly biased and to a large extent, they cherry pick news and views that conform with extreme liberal dogmas.

A good counterpoint to Vox is Real Clear Politics. Their front page features an equal number of direct links to opinion and news from both sides of the political spectrum. They also don't corrupt these links with rambling infantilzing '*splaining'.

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Post by almostApatriot1 »

JoshTko wrote: post #21
_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

My impression of New Yorker as an unbaliased source of news has significantly declined over the past few years. They clearly have a specific liberal perspective. Maybe subtle in their bias but nonetheless a persistent and one sided one.

The New Yorker definitely presents itself as sort of the informed liberal analysis, but David Remnick seems like a fairly professional if outspoken liberal editor. Not the type to spread untruths. Russia is also his speciality so he's not going to stay out of the commentary on Putin. It's hard to appear truly unbiased when it comes to political/geopolitical coverage.

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Post by TillE »

_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

> the "Liberal Smugness" piece

Emmett Rensin was very much the exception to the rule. (Actually Jeff Stein is ok too, and he's still at Vox.) But the general bias of Vox is neoliberal technocracy / American liberalism, so it's no surprise that leftists hate them.

They're utterly mainstream (ie, extremely reluctant to challenge established systems or common views) and much lower in quality than they'd like to be.

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Post by iaw »

dstaley wrote: post #19

I totally think that when a Vox Media publication writes about Comcast that they should disclose the fact that Comcast Ventures owns a minority stake in Vox Media. However, I think it's a bit ridiculous to expect them to disclose this every time they cover one of their investor's portfolio companies. According to Crunchbase [1], there are 1,124 companies that share at least one investor with Vox Media. That's a prett…

I think the challenge arises in ascertaining whether or not there is an adverse incentive driving their reporting on a given story.

In the case of Snap it seems safe to conclude that someone asked them to write positive stories. The need to disclose all potential conflicts arise because we cannot trust the authors of these sponsored stories to honestly disclose that that is what they are.

Re: Comcast-Owned Vox Runs Commercial for Comcast’s $500M Snapchat Investment

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Post by thedarkginger »

OedipusRex wrote: post #12
_mhyx wrote: post #7

Does anyone else deeply distrust Vox? The quality varies a LOT, they frequently present opinions as facts, etc. The weird thing is they have moments of brilliance like the "Liberal Smugness" piece - but search "Vox News article" and it looks like even the left really hates them. They seem more interested in telling me how to feel than the facts, I guess. I wish the rest of the world had the same pride in journalism a…

I'd argue that Vox is closer to MSM than it's viewer's would like to believe. They're fact-lite and heavy on opinion; every party has 'em. That being said I watch everything they put out on YouTube. Some of it's really good.

This assessment feels accurate. Just tried to think of any digital-first journalism outlet in the U.S. that is focused on doing independent reporting rather than "telling people how to feel."

Came up empty. That feels true on both the conservative and liberal sides too. Opinion isn't intrinsically bad, but it makes me nervous that the CPM ad-based revenue model definitely incentivizes this type of 'newsroom.'

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Post by [deleted] »

dstaley wrote: post #19

I totally think that when a Vox Media publication writes about Comcast that they should disclose the fact that Comcast Ventures owns a minority stake in Vox Media. However, I think it's a bit ridiculous to expect them to disclose this every time they cover one of their investor's portfolio companies. According to Crunchbase [1], there are 1,124 companies that share at least one investor with Vox Media. That's a prett…

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