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Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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As far as I understand Wikipedia there is no court comparable to the German Federal Constitutional Court, which could block such a law if it violated the Dutch constitution. Is that correct?

I know from the American system that a judge can throw laws out that are unconstitutional (e.g. donald (duck)'s ban on people from specific countries), I guess that's what you mean by the German Federal Constitutional Court. I don't think the Dutch system has that.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #16

As far as I understand Wikipedia there is no court comparable to the German Federal Constitutional Court, which could block such a law if it violated the Dutch constitution. Is that correct?

The ECJ is the highest relevant court here; there have been rulings that some kinds of mass surveillance breach human rights, most recently http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-160020

(ECHR has much the same role of power limitation in Europe as constitutional law. Germany has additional protections because of its history.)

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #2

For the Dutch people here considering what to vote in the March elections, I made an overview of statements of the parties on privacy and internet freedom: https://goo.gl/roiqVJ

Also https://www.privacystemwijzer.nl/ to figure out if your views about privacy align with the views of the parties. Stay informed people!

Thanks! I've forwarded these to all my friends, they're pretty good and I don't think many of them voted in previous years.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #19

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Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

Did you have a look at their party programme? Because their politics extend beyond just technology matters. I think their name does them a disservice; but they probably wanted to maintain ties to the more global Pirate Party movements.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

The PvdD (Animal Party) has actually had a lot of successes on their main topic since they entered parliament. In the Dutch system, tiny parties can have a large impact if they make proposals that have broad support in society. And even if the support isn't there yet (which might be the case here – the sentiment is rather in favour of "security" at the moment), they will have a voice that is going to be heard.

Also, the PP actually has standpoints on all major issues. In many ways they're a more libertarian version of Green Left.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The pirate party is awfully specific, like the pvdd (party for animal welfare; partij voor de dieren). I would love to vote for the pirate party if they would just stick to IT, but they can't: if someone gets into parliament, they suddenly have to decide on everything. I'm serious about privacy and IT stuff, but I am also serious about education and peace. Calling your party the animal party, 50+ party, pirate party,…

Did you even read the party programme of piratenpartij?

You cannot seriously scream "piratenpartij is nonsense because it is single issue" when the pirate party has 60 page party programme that touches upon all aspects of society [https://piratenpartij.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/PPNL-Ver...] whilst the expected largest party has only a single sheet of paper that just says "Get rid of all Muslims in Europe + Close all borders" [https://www.pvv.nl/images/Conceptverkiezingsprogrammma.pdf]

I would be a lot less worried about piratenpartij getting a seat in parliament than PVV getting 50% if you're worried about single-issue parties.

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also https://www.privacystemwijzer.nl/ to figure out if your views about privacy align with the views of the parties. Stay informed people!

Vote Piratenpartij if you're serious about privacy/security. For other parties it's just a 'side issue'.

The Dutch Piratenpartij always made a very "Occupy-ish" disorganized and unprofessional impression on me, but maybe someone here as an inside view or a different perspective?

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #8

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It's a young initiative and its focus thus far has mainly been on other issues, but nonetheless, you may want to reach out to Tech Solidarity NL to propose or coordinate actions. https://www.techsolidarity.nl

You are pushing a anti-Trump / Wilders initiative here in response to overreach of the (current) establishment? Well ...

What are Wilders's thoughts on this, then?

Re: Dutch House of Representatives passes dragnet surveillance bill

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post #18
post #2

For the Dutch people here considering what to vote in the March elections, I made an overview of statements of the parties on privacy and internet freedom: https://goo.gl/roiqVJ

> privacy and internet freedom: goo.gl Is a little ironic.

A little, you say?
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