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Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by technotony »

jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

I don't think that's fair at all, he openly acknowledges the idea that "There are questions about whether we can make a global community that works for everyone". I think he's outlining a vision, aligned with the arrow of history, whereby people come together through technology in greater connection and harmony. I hope we one day all realize that we are one humanity, and from that we can get to greater world peace. Of course we should be discussing how to get to that place, but it's totally reasonable for him to outline his vision/hopes to do that - that's the first part of any sensible discussion.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by tomlock »

jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

Could you help me understand what those real anti-globalization reasons, that don't include receiving enough of the benefits, are?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by jbooth »

nodesocket wrote: post #15
jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

You bring up great points, and hit on the miscalculation and hypocrisy of the left. They seem to think that globalization is a universally good thing, and if you're against it then you are somehow disconnected, a racist, and a monster. This a common symptom not just isolated to globalization.

We've brought 3 billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years and haven't had a major-power war since WWII when we set up all these globalist institutitions.

I'd say the record holds up pretty well.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by minimaxir »

grzm wrote: post #19
minimaxir wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit recently introduced outbound link tracking which grants them the same data necessary to do that, although the intent is more for monetization. On HN, the idea was floated around but quickly shot down: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12053645

Interesting. Do you have references re: HN?

Edited in link

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by davidivadavid »

programmarchy wrote: post #14
jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

Agree. Forced fraternity is not liberty. I want decentralized, local decision making for my community. Globalization of state power takes things in the other direction.

I wonder if someone's working on something based on that: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by maxxxxx »

koolba wrote: post #10

Is there a special filter or manual curation process for the comments at the bottom of Zuckerberg's posts? From my skimming through the first 30-40 comments, they're uniformly positive. I find it hard to believe that any internet forum open to public commentary would have that many positive responses.

In the same way that nobody is allowed to heckle the Pope or the us president Facebook won't allow negative feedback for their boss.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by tomlock »

nodesocket wrote: post #15
jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

You bring up great points, and hit on the miscalculation and hypocrisy of the left. They seem to think that globalization is a universally good thing, and if you're against it then you are somehow disconnected, a racist, and a monster. This a common symptom not just isolated to globalization.

The post above says the reasons of not enough benefits is typically offered as an explanation - so using a broad brush to say the left accuses people of being disconnected and racist contradicts that point.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by amorphid »

jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

Any tips for reading up on how different communities can learn to coexist peacefully? I sometimes wonder if different groups go to war because the individuals on either side don't have effective tools for demanding peaceful alternatives from their leaders.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Building Global Community

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Post by imglorp »

nodesocket wrote: post #15
jdoliner wrote: post #7

I find this letter to be deeply cynical. There's a baked in assumption that a global community is a good thing and that the only possible reason to resist it is because you're being left behind by its benefits. I don't think that's true and I certainly don't think it should be assumed a priori. There are people in this country, and every where in the world, who don't want globalization. And it's not because they have…

You bring up great points, and hit on the miscalculation and hypocrisy of the left. They seem to think that globalization is a universally good thing, and if you're against it then you are somehow disconnected, a racist, and a monster. This a common symptom not just isolated to globalization.

It's more specifically globalization of personal data warehousing and mining, for sale to advertisers and governments. Of course they're promoting adoption in any clothing they can drape it, and of course they're working on universal connectivity. Google came to the same conclusions and is doing the same.
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