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Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

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Activity streams? Like being on your dev group's build queue and CVS commit log email aliases? Being easily bored and ready to work anywhere, anytime -- like every enthusiastic college student or young hobbyist programmer ever? Sounds like not much is changing.

People like that making up nearly half the office would be a significant change. What you describe is highly useful and productive, but also a small minority.

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

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As someone who runs a startup in the entry level careers space, I am so tired of people talking about generational differences, Gen-Y, Millennials, etc. I think the vast majority of it is crap. I don't disagree with the conclusion that we will see a shift in workplace technology, but it would be stupid to disagree with that conclusion. Workplace communication technology is constantly evolving and improving. Workplace…

Can I ask what startup?

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So when I go to management and let them know that I've spent my less valuable time and figured out a way to speed up our process, they should then either trust me and let me implement it, or spend the time and evaluate for themselves if I'm correct. When management says their time is too valuable to learn how to do their job more efficiently, they're just bad managers. It would be like a programmer entering a bunch o…

You might be wrong in thinking that your "faster" way is better. Given no details I can't really elaborate, but a fresh perspective often omits important subtleties that management values. For instance: paper forms becoming web forms / database tables. Great for 99% of enterprise situations, but there is a loss of flexibility in edge cases. You can't write notes in the margins, or enter "invalid" but actually correct…

exactly... inflexibility to change an old process because of 1% or less of the use cases could be justified or not. If a new process makes 99% of things take 10% of the time and 1% of things take 1000% of the time, you still win. I would argue that edge cases should rarely be a reason to hold up improving a process.

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

#24
post #17

Activity streams? Like being on your dev group's build queue and CVS commit log email aliases? Being easily bored and ready to work anywhere, anytime -- like every enthusiastic college student or young hobbyist programmer ever? Sounds like not much is changing.

People like that making up nearly half the office would be a significant change. What you describe is highly useful and productive, but also a small minority.

The (probably false) assumption there is that the oldest millennials will still feel the same when the youngest start working and they've got 15-20 years of work experience.

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be wrong in thinking that your "faster" way is better. Given no details I can't really elaborate, but a fresh perspective often omits important subtleties that management values. For instance: paper forms becoming web forms / database tables. Great for 99% of enterprise situations, but there is a loss of flexibility in edge cases. You can't write notes in the margins, or enter "invalid" but actually correct…

exactly... inflexibility to change an old process because of 1% or less of the use cases could be justified or not. If a new process makes 99% of things take 10% of the time and 1% of things take 1000% of the time, you still win. I would argue that edge cases should rarely be a reason to hold up improving a process.

...except that those 1% might be incredibly critical to the business. Perhaps if you break them, the fallout will be bad enough to kill the company.

Whether or not you should try a new process is entirely a function of what kind of company you're in, not what generation the various players grew up in. If you're in a startup, you should definitely try any new process you can think of that might give you an edge. If the company is basically milking a cash-cow, be incredibly risk-averse when thinking about "making things better".

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

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I'm in a very small company. I am the youngest employee. I'm not certain of the exact age difference, but I suspect I'm on the order of 25 years younger than the next youngest employee. This company was founded by people who all worked at another place and started their own show. They are all doing things they would never have dreamed of doing 3 years ago, let alone 10. There is blogging, talk of twitter, talk of fac…

I can definitely relate to this sentiment. I started working in an office environment at 18, and have been moving up in position exponentially since then. At 22 I'm now in a position where I'm senior (in that I am a developer, and the people "below" me are junior developers) to a few developers. The first 2 companies I worked at were large enterprises (50k+ employees) where i'm sure I was either one of or the youngest working there. Age become a particularly complex issue when I was 19, and working in a lab. Often I would experience age harassment from a QA lead (who was later fired...) Things got a lot easier after I turned 21 though. Still I find it easier to get work done If I ignore the subject of age as much as possible... unless one of my coworkers has discovered my HN username, I do not believe anyone other than HR knows my age at my current company.

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like that making up nearly half the office would be a significant change. What you describe is highly useful and productive, but also a small minority.

The (probably false) assumption there is that the oldest millennials will still feel the same when the youngest start working and they've got 15-20 years of work experience.

There's also an assumption, again probably false, that typical individual millennials actually embody the new trends associated with their generation. Just as the hippie generation didn't have very many hippies, the millennial generation probably doesn't have many individuals like the hyper-networked, hyper-social individuals that serve as its poster children.

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

#29
post #2

As someone who runs a startup in the entry level careers space, I am so tired of people talking about generational differences, Gen-Y, Millennials, etc. I think the vast majority of it is crap. I don't disagree with the conclusion that we will see a shift in workplace technology, but it would be stupid to disagree with that conclusion. Workplace communication technology is constantly evolving and improving. Workplace…

Can I ask what startup?

Yes, you can. Actually, I won't wait for you to ask. It's called One Day, One Job and the URL is in my profile.

Re: The Generation Gap in Your Office

#30
The article makes some good points but ignores one essential factor. As much as this "millennial" bored-again-generation will change the enterprise (the big corporations) these big corporations will change them even more. The author as a millennialist does not realize that those retiring boomers are really the "hippie" generation. They had no less revolutionary intentions when they infiltrated the enterprise in the late 70s. When the millennials will be retiring the enterprise will not be much different (they may have updated their current XP Professional set up though) but the revolutionary millennials will look not much different than today's retiring boomers.
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