Not really private, just keeps your local machine clean. Despite TeMPOraL's labeling it "porn mode" my most common use case is if I need to log into my Google account from my wife's laptop I'll use an Incognito mode window in Chrome so that I don't have to log her out of her Google account.
Is there a reason you don't use the people switcher? https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2364824?co=GENIE.Pl...
Is Private Browsing Really Private?
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a reason you don't use the people switcher? https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2364824?co=GENIE.Pl...
For me its easier to use a different browser. Chrome for her, Edge for me, Firefox for the kids.
The icons and applications look sufficiently different that there's no confusion about what persona I am in which browser. And I can have all of them up at the same time.
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#23Not really private, just keeps your local machine clean. Despite TeMPOraL's labeling it "porn mode" my most common use case is if I need to log into my Google account from my wife's laptop I'll use an Incognito mode window in Chrome so that I don't have to log her out of her Google account.
To a tech-savvy audience its more obvious that private browsing modes don't offer that.
This discrepancy is something that people have genuine concerns about and want to see either more features to protect their privacy, or better transparency in naming/explaining/disclaiming these modes.
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#24This all seems likely to be true, but the source being Duck Duck Go calls the results & methodology into question. I'd love to see an independent researcher confirm these findings.
Hey there, DuckDuckGo employee here. Would love to know why you feel our affiliation calls that into question? In the the whitepaper we disclose the full methodology, and each statistic has a margin of error calculated and added in. Feel free to review it - we're happy to answer questions!
* The results on page 17 jumped out at me the most. There are 4 specific options for negative emotional reactions, and one generic positive option. It's easy to underestimate the powerful effect this has on pushing the responder to a specific answer. Imagine if your answer options were only "content, secure, informed, protected, neutral, misled" and how different your results might be.
* The question for the above, specifically the tone of "[...] does not offer any additional protection [...]" is also a form of leading the responder to an answer. While the statement is mostly true, there's some contention on the point esp. regarding cookies (see the other comments on this thread). Either way, you'd get a more honest answer if you strictly list the things private browsing does, and the things it does not do in a way that's as objective and incontrovertible as possible.
* It would be useful to see the benefits underlying the "correctly identified" category on page 13. I couldn't find those anywhere which was a bit suspicious.
In consulting, I used to survey users on their personal security practices (password strength, adherence to policies, secure disposal, etc.) and gained a huge appreciation for how powerful bias and misinterpretation can be in surveys, and how hard it is to control. But to reiterate, I think this is overall pretty well done and has some really interesting results, esp. the usage data in the first few sections.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey there, DuckDuckGo employee here. Would love to know why you feel our affiliation calls that into question? In the the whitepaper we disclose the full methodology, and each statistic has a margin of error calculated and added in. Feel free to review it - we're happy to answer questions!
I have to confess I didn't see the link to the whitepaper in my first read through - shame on me for commenting before I did :) I think you all did a pretty good job putting this together overall after reading through it, and I applaud the effort. That said, the critical HNer in me sees some bias in the questions and answers. Specifics: * The results on page 17 jumped out at me the most. There are 4 specific options…
Initially we started this survey out of our own interest so a few of those decisions are rooted from there.
1) Agreed, however we've already divided out the people who previously learned about private browsing. This leaves us with a cohort of users who have used private browsing, thought it protected them more and learned that it was wrong. It's very unlikely in any case that there would be positive emotions experienced. In our background research before the final survey we were only focusing on if users had a positive or negative experience. In this final major survey we wanted to get a better understanding of what those negative emotions were and so teased it out more.
I agree that a skewed set of options can bias a question but it is case-by-case. Example if I ask "how do you feel when your ice cream falls on the floor?" and the options are "Happy, Joyful, Amazing, Wonderful, Excited, Sad" you'll still likely pick sad.
2) A good point. This question is one that is linguistically challenging. We want to use phrases like "it only does X" to stress limits, but those can be misinterpreted. I agree you may see some shift if you ask the question as a feature list, but I think in the question we're looking at it would still fall well within the margin of error. I'm curious to run some tests on it either way!
3) We didn't release those in the whitepaper as they were broken down by browser since each browser has different feature sets. We wanted to keep this report agnostic of browser. We're not looking to shame anyone, we're trying to support the conversation around the education gap for the average non-technical internet user. They are telling us they want more privacy, and don't feel that it is being provided or explained well enough.
Overall, I really appreciate the feedback - it is more important than ever to question and discuss the things we see online. Hope this sheds some light on why we made the various decisions we did! :)
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#26Not really private, just keeps your local machine clean. Despite TeMPOraL's labeling it "porn mode" my most common use case is if I need to log into my Google account from my wife's laptop I'll use an Incognito mode window in Chrome so that I don't have to log her out of her Google account.
That's the problem we tried to outline in this paper. If you ask the average person what "private" should mean in this context it turns out they believe it is a large set of features providing total protection. To a tech-savvy audience its more obvious that private browsing modes don't offer that. This discrepancy is something that people have genuine concerns about and want to see either more features to protect the…
Did you actually interview her for this paper? Where'd you find her? Can I ask her a few questions when you're done? I have so much I need to know from the average person.
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#27Disabling JS from iffy marketing companies mostly solves the problem. (From a legal standpoint, not a security standpoint). It's illegal under wiretapping rules to share communication with a third party. (but if the user's browser hits a third-party data collection endpoint, that's somehow okay. See 'in re doubleclick'). Firefox tracking protection uses the disconnect.me list https://disconnect.me/trackerprotection/blocked to get rid of all of these it can.
If the adversary isn't a marketing firm that has to comply with the law, ignore the above. Then you're looking at browser flaws (canvas fingerprinting) and session inference (using client IP, URL, browser-agent, & timestamps to reconstruct identity from behavior).
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a reason you don't use the people switcher? https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2364824?co=GENIE.Pl...
I don't use it because it requires that I switch back. My wife won't be bothered to deal with learning the people-switcher (there's no reason she should, it's really her laptop in question), so using incognito means that once I close the window, it's clean again. It's a lot easier to remember to close the window than it is to remember to switch back to her account. The option I finally chose to go with, is to install…
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#29Probably relevant: "Google removes secret agent warning from Chrome’s incognito mode" https://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/app/... “Pages you view in this tab won’t appear in your browser history or search history, and they won’t leave other traces, like cookies, on your device after you close all incognito tabs. Any files you download or bookmarks you create will be preserved, however. Going incog…
sigh nobody has a sense of humor anymore.