Google and chrome are the biggest threat we have to the open internet at the moment.
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Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
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Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#22I tried using Edge, but just get a "This app can't open" message. I'm sure I could fix it if I wanted to but it's easier to just run Chrome.
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#23won't be really hard to improve the market share: - make edge cross platform. - make the extensions system on par with chromes and as easy to launch an extension - fix its UI lag on Windows 10 - maybe open source it
Out of curiosity, what do you mean by UI lag? I've not used a massive amount of Edge but I don't remember it being particularly laggy?
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#24Its right about time for a disrupt effort, Chrome is outrageously slow.
Really? Because firefox being slow was the entire reason I switched in the first place.
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is exactly the attitude web developers had toward the IE/Netscape situation around the year 2000. I think that as web developers we have the responsibility to consider the health of the entire ecosystem, as well as long term consequences. If not us, then who?
I understand your point and I actually make sure that my websites target IE10 and up, but it usually happens after I'm done in Chrome. Have you worked with Edge/IE? The pain starts with, as a Mac user, having to boot up a VM and ends with the, in my opinion, horrible development tools compared to Chrome or even Firefox. In this state Edge will never be more than an afterthought.
"as a Mac user, having to boot up a VM"
So are you a developer, or a Mac user? Do you develop for Mac users, or users?
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#26Google and chrome are the biggest threat we have to the open internet at the moment.
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Because no private company should have that much control, we've been down that path and it was bad enough I thought it should be obvious.
Then there's things like adding DRM, a user hostile "feature" google shoved down our throats. Visit netflix on a linux box and you'll discover that "works with chrome" is the new "works with IE".
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is exactly the attitude web developers had toward the IE/Netscape situation around the year 2000. I think that as web developers we have the responsibility to consider the health of the entire ecosystem, as well as long term consequences. If not us, then who?
I understand your point and I actually make sure that my websites target IE10 and up, but it usually happens after I'm done in Chrome. Have you worked with Edge/IE? The pain starts with, as a Mac user, having to boot up a VM and ends with the, in my opinion, horrible development tools compared to Chrome or even Firefox. In this state Edge will never be more than an afterthought.
If a large percentage of your users have IE/Edge you might want to tests these early on, or even develop with them.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a web developer I'd rather develop for Chrome than IE/Edge. It's pretty much just that simple.
That is exactly the attitude web developers had toward the IE/Netscape situation around the year 2000. I think that as web developers we have the responsibility to consider the health of the entire ecosystem, as well as long term consequences. If not us, then who?
>I think that as web developers we have the responsibility [...]
I'm all for being idealistic, but you can't expect developers to use a software that lacks in performance, features and security. I'm talking about Firefox by the way, because if you really
>consider the health of the entire ecosystem, as well as long term consequences
that is the obvious choice, not Edge.
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#29I just dont like the browser, the things I dont like are:
- the search / address box are not obviously that until you click on it
- the window bar area to click on and drag the window around is small and not obvious
Not major things but it makes it less intuitive to use than chrome in my opinion.
Re: Microsoft's browsers return to losing habits, fall to 25% share
#30Its right about time for a disrupt effort, Chrome is outrageously slow.
Really? Because firefox being slow was the entire reason I switched in the first place.
That's the Endless Treadmill. Netscape Navigator is slow, use this new and fast browser called IE. [time passes] IE is slow, use this new and fast browser called Firefox. [time passes] Firefox is slow, use this new and fast browser called Chrome. Chrome is slow...[to be continued]