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H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

#21
Section 2.

That's what matters if you're an Indian with an I-140 dated 2009, afraid to change his H1B job, despite salary or personnel issues. (Also, ask me about why I'm not starting up).

That one section prevents this "you can quit anytime you feel like" threat held over Indian employees by employers, because an I-140 for the employee is issued to the employer.

An employee with mobility between employers is no longer forcing the wages down.

That does not prevent a company from sending the same job to India, because it suddenly costs so much, but it does prevent the lowering of wages due to people putting up with abusive or near-illegal employment practices.

This is good for the local economy and basically makes an "outsourcing" employee irresponsible if she doesn't jump to an american firm who will do her paperwork right.

Raising the salaries all around.

(delete mini-rant about living expenses and salaries - increased pay all around isn't always what it's cracked up to be)

That section alone, shifts the balance of power between an employer and an H1b holder.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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I am a bit confused about $130,000 limit. A $130,000 salary in NYC is way different than a small town in Mississippi. Should not it be regional average?

FWIW, reading this from the other side of the pond (which suddenly got way cheaper), I would not come to NYC or SV for $130k. I can cope much better on much less and I don't have to 'create $130k+" of value every to justify my employment. In other words this bill may work a little too well - even if some companies are willing to pay that much it's no longer that attractive to come over and match those expectations...

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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As a software developer and a US citizen, this is to my advantage. I hope it quickly becomes the law of the land.

How is this to your advantage? Are you having hard time securing a full-time dev job with a US tech company? Last time I checked, there was more demand and shortage of supply for smart programmers (I have been interviewing a lot). Do you happen to work in a region where there are less tech jobs?

By definition, increasing barriers to entry, drives supply down. Holding demand constant, and assuming price elasticity: Lowering supply, increases "prices" (in this case salaries).

Assumption, demand is constant: I'm talking about demand in the economic sense, i.e. The demand curve. The demand curve is left unchanged by this bill. i.e. We still need the same number of software developers, and for any $X/person companies are willing to hire Y number of people.

Assumption, Price Elasticity: For the most part this assumption holds because, fortunately, software companies do seem to be making profits. Implying, they have the means to increase wages.

All in all, this is in the best interest of any person in a profession where many H1-Bs currently hold a position, and whose company is currently profitable.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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As a software developer and a US citizen, this is to my advantage. I hope it quickly becomes the law of the land.

I do not think so.

Everything mostly follows the path of least resistance. Economy, finance, etc. The actual law of the land is and will always be: profit.

H-1B was a viable way to make profit, so it became popular. Once it is not longer profitable, people will look for something else.

Will the new way be hiring American workers? maybe... Maybe it will be hiring from coding camps for less, maybe it is moving to another country, or almost anything.

It doesn't necessarily have to be hiring Americans computer science graduates. Someone will find the way and everyone will follow.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"desi consulting shops" might even run fake payrolls to bypass(break) the laws. As someone who has seen them closely, it is common practice for them to pay an employee $110K on paper but $60K in real.

Isn't that highly illegal?

Highly illegal and HIGHLY common. When my wife moved here (I uprooted her career because of our marriage), she spoke to a few of these people. It was way easier to get an illegal job, and better green card prospects (don't know why).

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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I was a free market libertarian until about last week, when I finally got sick of being lectured and called names by tech billionaires. Now I'm for anything that helps me financially, and hurts these people.

If the H1B program were abolished entirely, my compensation would shoot up there with doctors' and lawyers', and the tech billionaires would be slightly less rich.

This measure doesn't go that far, but it's a step in that direction.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this to your advantage? Are you having hard time securing a full-time dev job with a US tech company? Last time I checked, there was more demand and shortage of supply for smart programmers (I have been interviewing a lot). Do you happen to work in a region where there are less tech jobs?

By definition, increasing barriers to entry, drives supply down. Holding demand constant, and assuming price elasticity: Lowering supply, increases "prices" (in this case salaries). Assumption, demand is constant: I'm talking about demand in the economic sense, i.e. The demand curve. The demand curve is left unchanged by this bill. i.e. We still need the same number of software developers, and for any $X/person compa…

> The demand curve is left unchanged by this bill

Globally, sure, but the global supply of labor in any field isn't changed, only the US supply. In many cases, H-1B work isn't extremely location-sensitive, and foreign suppliers are acceptable substitutes to local suppliers.

To the extent this is true in any field, the effect of restricting visa supply is to offshore more work.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that highly illegal?

Highly illegal and HIGHLY common. When my wife moved here (I uprooted her career because of our marriage), she spoke to a few of these people. It was way easier to get an illegal job, and better green card prospects (don't know why).

Things are much better these days with proprietors, HR folks and lawyers of these firms getting jail sentences.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

#29
post #17

"Unless dependent employers compensate their H-1B workers above the required wage level, they must make attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers" Does this mean that a company can pay below the 130k if it can prove that it's not possible to hire an American even with higher wages?

Yes. That's the point of an H-1B visa - to recruit highly-skilled workers when American workers are not available.

Re: H-1B draft with proposed changes [pdf]

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love to know how! Our company just move one of our department to Pune because it was hard to get H1Bs. With that I think at least 4 Americans lost their jobs.

>Would love to know how! Our company just move one of our department to Pune because it was hard to get H1Bs. With that I think at least 4 Americans lost their jobs. What greedy, heartless, unpatriotic company do you work for? I'm sure a massive name-and-shame campaign against them will convince them to restore those 4 jobs. And perhaps the Republicans could explore the possibility of imposing surcharges on fees paid…

> What greedy, heartless, unpatriotic company do you work for?

Just the kind that almost every American works for and little better than the owned by out President. If you know any unselfish, living, patriotic company that is also profitable that pays well please refer me I will join there!

> Republicans could explore the possibility of imposing surcharges on fees paid to offshore development shops, to encourage a more "America First" mindset in greedy companies who lay off American workers and offshore the work.

We think that as a real possibility and intend to bypass it too.

I know you have been sarcastic.

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