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Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by surferbayarea »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #17
surferbayarea wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inverted index could simply be built/live on client side. The cloud is then just a backup data storage. Encrypted email is downloaded, unencrypted and indexed on your laptop/phone etc.

To be clear, you're proposing that users download their entire email storage to their phones and browsers before they can search or spam filter their email? And you think that this would be a compelling product for the average email user? I'm having a hard time figuring out if you're trolling.

Sure - might not be easy for email. It does work for imessages (no server storage, typical size 1-5GB, stored + indexed on client side). So once phones start having 50GB+ storage(wait my iphone already does :p), its not so far fetched to think of having a 20GB inbox stored+indexed on the phone - of course you don't need to store the attachments etc.

Anyways, my point was not to suggest a full solution but to say that companies are not incentivized to solve this problem.

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Post by isolli »

Taek wrote: post #19

It's things like these that push me so hard in the direction of decentralized cloud applications. Centralized institutions should not be able to see your data, and foreign powers should not be able to command them to drop your data (or otherwise hold it hostage).

Can you provide some recommendations?

Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by darkr »

Beltiras wrote: post #7
ktta wrote: post #4

Can any one please explain in layman terms what this means a bit more clearly? I think I understood the part where the US no longer a good place to store data, and that there are no proper privacy laws protecting foreign citizens' data that is stored on US soil. So basically, if you still want to have a proper privacy policy, GTFO your data to non-US servers ASAP. Anything else? Something I've gotten wrong?

There's also the chance that USDoJ vs. Microsoft will land in USDoJ's favour. If so, then if your cloud provider is US-based (e.g. Amazon), then your data can be procured by the US government with a NSL or similar secret court mechanisms without you even being notified. I don't think that people frequenting HN need to have it explained to them why this is bad for US-based cloud providers. Amazon needs to segregate Fr…

Ireland's in the EU too (eu-west-1)

Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by surferbayarea »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #20
surferbayarea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FISA Content requests: July to December 2015 21000–21499. Note - FISA requests includes all personal information, NSL does not. And sure - this particular order is about foreigners' data, but they might require citizens' data in future. Also is data privacy only a US citizen's right? Googlers claimed to have strong views when non-citizen googlers were being treated unfairly on immigration. But no statement when non-c…

FISA is for non-Americans' data, and you were talking about Americans previously. You can't write an executive order that says you can get access to something you previously needed a warrant for without a warrant.

sure - that was not the intention. Fixed. I care deeply about user data privacy and how we have traded privacy(and user experience) for free software. Maybe recent events will change the trade-offs.

Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by isolli »

Beltiras wrote: post #7
ktta wrote: post #4

Can any one please explain in layman terms what this means a bit more clearly? I think I understood the part where the US no longer a good place to store data, and that there are no proper privacy laws protecting foreign citizens' data that is stored on US soil. So basically, if you still want to have a proper privacy policy, GTFO your data to non-US servers ASAP. Anything else? Something I've gotten wrong?

There's also the chance that USDoJ vs. Microsoft will land in USDoJ's favour. If so, then if your cloud provider is US-based (e.g. Amazon), then your data can be procured by the US government with a NSL or similar secret court mechanisms without you even being notified. I don't think that people frequenting HN need to have it explained to them why this is bad for US-based cloud providers. Amazon needs to segregate Fr…

Will US companies really be able to segregate like you suggest? That sounds too easy...

Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by surferbayarea »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #20
surferbayarea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FISA Content requests: July to December 2015 21000–21499. Note - FISA requests includes all personal information, NSL does not. And sure - this particular order is about foreigners' data, but they might require citizens' data in future. Also is data privacy only a US citizen's right? Googlers claimed to have strong views when non-citizen googlers were being treated unfairly on immigration. But no statement when non-c…

FISA is for non-Americans' data, and you were talking about Americans previously. You can't write an executive order that says you can get access to something you previously needed a warrant for without a warrant.

Seems it does include US citizens.

Per "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla... : "and "agents of foreign powers" (which may include American citizens and permanent residents suspected of espionage or terrorism)."

Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by tex0 »

lwhalen wrote: post #16
sghiassy wrote: post #13

Can anyone recommend a European alternative for Amazon AWS?

Profitbricks. cloudscale.ch. If you want to go self-hosted, talk to fuzzy-logic.org.

Indeed, these providers offer "virtual servers" as well, but if look beyond that they play an entirely different game than AWS.

The only relevant competitors to AWS are Google and maybe MS Azure. Both also US companies.

No one else is anywhere near the level of scale and expertise AWS has.

Re: Getting out of the cloud…

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Post by lwhalen »

tex0 wrote: post #29
lwhalen wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Profitbricks. cloudscale.ch. If you want to go self-hosted, talk to fuzzy-logic.org.

Indeed, these providers offer "virtual servers" as well, but if look beyond that they play an entirely different game than AWS. The only relevant competitors to AWS are Google and maybe MS Azure. Both also US companies. No one else is anywhere near the level of scale and expertise AWS has.

One could always get a bit closer API-wise and go with a self-hosted Openstack cloud. It's a bit more involved than many folks care for, but if 'API-CRUDable VMs, networks, object storage, images' and similar are the goal, the market's pretty thin.
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