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Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by barry-cotter »

kartan wrote: post #4

High-quality free state-run secular schools is one of the most important social achievements. In that schools a new generation can grow and learn while minimizing radicalization. That new generation meets people from different cultures and religion since they are children and learn to accept the differences. This doesn't solves all problems, is not a silver bulled, but it improves society at large. I never understood…

High quality state run Party schools are one of the most important social achievements. In those schools a new generation can grow and learn in the care of the Party while minimising radicalisation. That new generation learns about how World Jewry threatens the Aryan race and how the German Nation and the Nazi Party will lead us to greatness. This doesn't solve all problems, is not a silver bullet, but it improves society at large.

I don't understand why in France parents are not teaching their children about the threat of World Jewry. Now I not just don't understand, but I see how dangerous the situation is.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by guard-of-terra »

gambiting wrote: post #19
guard-of-terra wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed Maybe we should just give kids to bullies to use as slaves? Probably auction them. (School was unarguably the worst period of my life, period. Bonus points for being blamed for that even later on, when affluent and successful) (Nobody ever blames bullies for being ones. They were "just kids". Now you - you do get blamed for having been bullied)

It's like saying that someone broke your arm at school,so maybe we should break arms of every kid at school. This would never happen with home schooling! My point is - these two are unrelated. I say home schooling shouldn't be allowed, you say you were bullied at school. So is your point that everyone should be home schooled? I mean....bullies are usually bullies because they have shit parents who don't care about th…

My point is: You should be able to shield your kids from that shit. You should be able to take them home.

I don't care about bullies, and the fun thing is: most kids are bullies when push comes to shove.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by guard-of-terra »

_petronius wrote: post #18
gambiting wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed, except for kids with disabilities which stop them from leaving home. It just seems to me that Americans fear radical islam, while extremely radical Christianity grows right under their noses. I agree that free state-run secular schools are the way to go for modern society.

Fun fact: here in Germany, home schooling is illegal. I'm with you -- I think this is probably for the best. After all, how do you get kids to learn to socialize and integrate with society at large (regardless of their background), if they don't attend school and get out from under their parents? But this is also the only basis on which Germans can typically sucessfully claim asylum in the US, and have successfully i…

> socialize

You mean, learn what it is to be ridiculed, assaulted and mocked? Awesome development indeed! How could I ever live without it!? I hope this happens to your kid.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by Inconel »

orf wrote: post #7
ahoka wrote: post #3

The site sells pins with the label "misandrist". What's next? Swastikas? I thought hate speech is off limits on HN.

Any comments on the actual article, or just deflections?

I'm not the person you're responding to but I thought it was a good article. I've only known two people who were homeschooled, and one is an atheist while the other was Christian last time I checked, but not particularly religious, so it was interesting and disheartening to see what goes on in a fundamentalist Christian homeschooled environment.

I didn't notice the misandrist pins for sale until it was pointed out but I can't say I like the idea of wearing pins that espouse disdain or prejudice against someone for their gender, or any other reason for that matter. Hopefully this doesn't count as deflection?

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by new299 »

gambiting wrote: post #9
kartan wrote: post #4

High-quality free state-run secular schools is one of the most important social achievements. In that schools a new generation can grow and learn while minimizing radicalization. That new generation meets people from different cultures and religion since they are children and learn to accept the differences. This doesn't solves all problems, is not a silver bulled, but it improves society at large. I never understood…

I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed, except for kids with disabilities which stop them from leaving home. It just seems to me that Americans fear radical islam, while extremely radical Christianity grows right under their noses. I agree that free state-run secular schools are the way to go for modern society.

> I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed, except for kids with disabilities which stop them from leaving home.

That doesn't really seem like a well reasoned argument. Can you provide any data to backup that statement?

Let's try some quick googling. This article looks pretty good:

http://www.educationandbehavior.com/what-does-research-say-a...

Two interesting quotes from a paper they cite:

"For instance, one nationwide study analyzed data from 1,952 homeschooled students across the country and found that the students, on average, scored at the eightieth percentile or higher in every test category"

"Several studies found no significant difference in the social skills of homeschooled and non-homeschooled students. Other studies found that homeschooled children score significantly higher on social development rating scales/questionnaires."

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by cconcepts »

Very well written. Although this article is quite emotive and could be considered an extreme point of view, I think it is important to read in order to understand the multitude of voices wanting to be heard in the current quagmire.

I disagree with some of the assumptions made but nonetheless think this is a voice that should be heard.

As a follower of Jesus (I have to be careful how I say Christian because of how loaded that term has become) I feel sad that the writer is marginalised as if it is something Christ would have done.

That Jesus has been attached to a particular political agenda is particularly heartbreaking.

Historically, when Christianity has gotten in bed with power it has been bad news for the essence of Christ and the humbling power of His work - I would argue this is because of the corruptibility of humans and not through something inherently wrong with Christianity.

I'm sorry for some of the things being done in the name of Christianity but this is an intelligent, thoughtful community - please find out for yourself who Christ really said he was and don't assume that what some powerbrokers say in Christ's name is true - their interests are vested.

I hope that HN continues its history of thoughtful, respectful discussion rather than the vitriol I am seeing elsewhere.

EDIT: Spelling/grammar

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by gambiting »

new299 wrote: post #25
gambiting wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed, except for kids with disabilities which stop them from leaving home. It just seems to me that Americans fear radical islam, while extremely radical Christianity grows right under their noses. I agree that free state-run secular schools are the way to go for modern society.

> I genuinely believe that home schooling shouldn't be allowed, except for kids with disabilities which stop them from leaving home. That doesn't really seem like a well reasoned argument. Can you provide any data to backup that statement? Let's try some quick googling. This article looks pretty good: http://www.educationandbehavior.com/what-does-research-say-a... Two interesting quotes from a paper they cite: "For i…

The statement literally said "I believe that [...]".

How can I provide data to back up that statement?

I never reasoned that home schooling doesn't provide results, or that home schooled students do worse. I'm sure that with dedicated enough parents, it will provide results, and the students will do better or at least just as well!

I still think that it shouldn't be allowed. I'm not sure how I can provide sources on that.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by new299 »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #22
gambiting wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like saying that someone broke your arm at school,so maybe we should break arms of every kid at school. This would never happen with home schooling! My point is - these two are unrelated. I say home schooling shouldn't be allowed, you say you were bullied at school. So is your point that everyone should be home schooled? I mean....bullies are usually bullies because they have shit parents who don't care about th…

My point is: You should be able to shield your kids from that shit. You should be able to take them home. I don't care about bullies, and the fun thing is: most kids are bullies when push comes to shove.

With respect, the problem is that you are both using gut reactions and anecdotal personal experience in order to determine the correct government policy.

You could approach it from a civil liberties angle. But if you're really interested in what would be best for the population overall, perhaps try and cite some data? It took me 5 minutes of Google searching to find some interesting results...

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by dagw »

intended wrote: post #15
noelwelsh wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe another important piece is the Fairness doctrine ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine ) which forced news outlets in the US to present balanced news. Reagan killed this in 1987. It's made it much easier to live in a bubble. Fox News (and possibly most of the current US TV news; I'm not sure) couldn't exist if this doctrine was in place. The US has allowed many policies that has divided its peop…

Wasn't there a famous case when Fox news said it wasn't news?

No, their argument was that not all show no Fox News where news. They where trying to make a distinction between news shows and editorial shows.

Re: I was trained for the culture wars in home school

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Post by guard-of-terra »

new299 wrote: post #28
guard-of-terra wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point is: You should be able to shield your kids from that shit. You should be able to take them home. I don't care about bullies, and the fun thing is: most kids are bullies when push comes to shove.

With respect, the problem is that you are both using gut reactions and anecdotal personal experience in order to determine the correct government policy. You could approach it from a civil liberties angle. But if you're really interested in what would be best for the population overall, perhaps try and cite some data? It took me 5 minutes of Google searching to find some interesting results...

> for the population overall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Om...

It was definitely good for them to hold that child in the basement! As a population overall.

Why would I care about "civil liberties" if they come at cost of ruining my life? And I know I'm not in any way an exception. I won't be around enjoying them, right? Do I look like a person who enjoys anything right now?

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