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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by threeseed »

tn13 wrote: post #17

It is obvious that DHS and all others must obey the law. It is important to note that the people affected here are not just the hijab wearing sharia loving Muslims (as trump might describe them) but also people who helped US army carry out the unnecessary operations in their homeland and as a result face danger in their own country. Some top notch researchers or even activists who are fighting the oppressive regimes…

Actually those types of Muslims eg. from Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia etc. are still welcome in the US. Even though some countries eg Indonesia have quite the homegrown terrorist network.

Clearly this was never about terrorism. It's about cynically assigning blame to countries who have no means to fight back ie. a Trump hotel or military purchasing power.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by Tulip68 »

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc. to put aside petty partisan bickering and remove this fascist con-man from office immediately. If we don't, history will judge us all the same way as we judge those who looked aside while Hitler made a mockery out of his country's democratic institutions en route to handing himself supreme power.

I cannot overstate the danger we are all in every day this psychopathic fascist is allowed to remain in that office. He must be stopped immediately. Our most fundamental and cherished values are at stake here.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by jrockway »

aerovistae wrote: post #18
daeken wrote: post #12

We now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts. This is bad. This goes far beyond this specific issue (which, while nasty, affects relatively few people). This sets a fucking awful precedent. This cannot be allowed to happen. I would love to see everyone violating this injunction (and ordering others to do so) be put in jail, just as if I or anyone else were to violate such…

> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that

Except reports are: they _aren't_ complying, and are being told not to comply.

This press release is words, not actions.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by dom0 »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #19

> Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented. Oh, well as long as it's only minorities who have to suffer, then I guess all is well.

"Works for me" - people every time this shit happens

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I remained silent;

I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent;

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,

I did not speak out;

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,

I remained silent;

I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,

there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemöller, 1946

Now, of course the US aren't a Nazi state... yet. It's very important to make sure it stays that way, that should be the civil duty of all real democrats in your country right now.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by nullc »

aerovistae wrote: post #18
daeken wrote: post #12

We now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts. This is bad. This goes far beyond this specific issue (which, while nasty, affects relatively few people). This sets a fucking awful precedent. This cannot be allowed to happen. I would love to see everyone violating this injunction (and ordering others to do so) be put in jail, just as if I or anyone else were to violate such…

> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that

It seems to be meaningless since it is stated in a message which is _specifically_ announcing that the DHS is ignoring a court order.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by [deleted] »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by smsm42 »

daeken wrote: post #12

We now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts. This is bad. This goes far beyond this specific issue (which, while nasty, affects relatively few people). This sets a fucking awful precedent. This cannot be allowed to happen. I would love to see everyone violating this injunction (and ordering others to do so) be put in jail, just as if I or anyone else were to violate such…

> We now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts.

Which one? One I heard of prevents deportation of green card holders pending resolution of their cases. I don't see anything in DHS press release conflicting with it. Was there another one? In fact, CNN reports that application of the order to green card holders may be misunderstanding:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/donald-trump-travel-b... As of Saturday afternoon, Customs and Border Protection continued to issue the same guidance to airlines as it did Friday, telling airlines that fly to the US that green card holders can board planes to the US but they may get extra scrutiny on arrival, according to an airline official.

"Extra scrutiny" is kind of vague and worrying, but it's not the same as ban (if the intent was to ban no point in allowing boarding and flying in).

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by smsm42 »

skuhn wrote: post #11
gizmo385 wrote: post #7

"Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented." I guess getting detained and denied entry into the country is "enhanced security measures"?

Interesting that they finally gave a scope to the people impacted. 3200 people doesn't seem like chump change to me. And I guess deporting people is the most enhanced security measure of them all. If we could deport everyone that lives in the US, I bet security would be pretty tight.

Where 3200 people comes from?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by douche »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

Its interesting how overreach in executive orders on one side is greeted as business as usual, versus being viewed as grounds for secession when the shoe is on the other foot

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by gotchange »

Waterluvian wrote: post #15
daeken wrote: post #12

We now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts. This is bad. This goes far beyond this specific issue (which, while nasty, affects relatively few people). This sets a fucking awful precedent. This cannot be allowed to happen. I would love to see everyone violating this injunction (and ordering others to do so) be put in jail, just as if I or anyone else were to violate such…

Are they though? The last paragraph says they will comply. I think this says little new other than there being a lot of confusion everywhere.

Can't the press ask for a press conference to clarify these issues?
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