Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

nejm.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 88 posts

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#21

Post by dlp211 »

thomasthomas wrote: post #19

Thanks to the ACA, a larger share of Americans have health insurance than ever before because its compulsory. this shouldn't an argument for the ACAs effectiveness. I have to buy car insurance if i choose to drive a car on public roads. i have to pay income tax if i have income. now, by birth, i automatically owe the state. i'd like my freedom and right to choose back please. the fact this isn't the main argument fro…

You pay for private insurance or you pay for public insurance via taxes. Any other solution is unworkable and you are a free rider.

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#22

Post by 67726e »

dlp211 wrote: post #21
thomasthomas wrote: post #19

Thanks to the ACA, a larger share of Americans have health insurance than ever before because its compulsory. this shouldn't an argument for the ACAs effectiveness. I have to buy car insurance if i choose to drive a car on public roads. i have to pay income tax if i have income. now, by birth, i automatically owe the state. i'd like my freedom and right to choose back please. the fact this isn't the main argument fro…

You pay for private insurance or you pay for public insurance via taxes. Any other solution is unworkable and you are a free rider.

Or you pay a hefty tax penalty. Hardly "free"

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#23

Post by thomasthomas »

dlp211 wrote: post #21
thomasthomas wrote: post #19

Thanks to the ACA, a larger share of Americans have health insurance than ever before because its compulsory. this shouldn't an argument for the ACAs effectiveness. I have to buy car insurance if i choose to drive a car on public roads. i have to pay income tax if i have income. now, by birth, i automatically owe the state. i'd like my freedom and right to choose back please. the fact this isn't the main argument fro…

You pay for private insurance or you pay for public insurance via taxes. Any other solution is unworkable and you are a free rider.

i'd like the choice to not have any insurance

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#24

Post by burkaman »

thomasthomas wrote: post #19

Thanks to the ACA, a larger share of Americans have health insurance than ever before because its compulsory. this shouldn't an argument for the ACAs effectiveness. I have to buy car insurance if i choose to drive a car on public roads. i have to pay income tax if i have income. now, by birth, i automatically owe the state. i'd like my freedom and right to choose back please. the fact this isn't the main argument fro…

You actually don't owe the state anything if you can't afford health insurance. So similar to income tax, you can choose not to work and you won't have to pay the penalty.

And of course, it's not by birth, you owe nothing if you're dependent on someone else.

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#25

Post by nyxtom »

thomasthomas wrote: post #19

Thanks to the ACA, a larger share of Americans have health insurance than ever before because its compulsory. this shouldn't an argument for the ACAs effectiveness. I have to buy car insurance if i choose to drive a car on public roads. i have to pay income tax if i have income. now, by birth, i automatically owe the state. i'd like my freedom and right to choose back please. the fact this isn't the main argument fro…

Choosing to not be insured is unsustainable for our economy the moment you have an issue and need a doctor.

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#26

Post by mikeash »

thomasthomas wrote: post #23
dlp211 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pay for private insurance or you pay for public insurance via taxes. Any other solution is unworkable and you are a free rider.

i'd like the choice to not have any insurance

How will you ensure that paramedics won't take you to the hospital if you have a sudden event in the street?

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#27

Post by projektfu »

jbigelow76 wrote: post #2

I doubt anyone in Congress or the White House working to repeal the ACA reads the New England Journal of Medicine.

They might not, but they are probably lobbied by doctors, hospital administrators, and insurance executives, all of whom are likely to at least skim the top medical journals.

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#28

Post by thomasthomas »

nyxtom wrote: post #25
thomasthomas wrote: post #19

Thanks to the ACA, a larger share of Americans have health insurance than ever before because its compulsory. this shouldn't an argument for the ACAs effectiveness. I have to buy car insurance if i choose to drive a car on public roads. i have to pay income tax if i have income. now, by birth, i automatically owe the state. i'd like my freedom and right to choose back please. the fact this isn't the main argument fro…

Choosing to not be insured is unsustainable for our economy the moment you have an issue and need a doctor.

so i shouldnt have the right to choose?

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#29

Post by toodlebunions »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #5

It's a wonderful idea. Free healthcare for all. Sadly, it simply isn't sustainable financially. I think in the next 10 years alone it was supposed to cost tax payers 10 trillion and that money can't literally be printed fast enough and the debt our country holds, extremely unsustainable. If they did it cheaper or more cost effective, I would say yes, but financially, you can't.

Do you mean the $10 trillion cost from repealing?

Here is republican senator Rand Paul on the huge budgetary expense of ACA repeal

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6AuIwR00T5g

Re: Barack Obama Publishes Defense of the ACA in the New England Journal of Medicine

#30

Post by d_e_solomon »

thomasthomas wrote: post #23
dlp211 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pay for private insurance or you pay for public insurance via taxes. Any other solution is unworkable and you are a free rider.

i'd like the choice to not have any insurance

Just to be sure - if you show up at the hospital w/o means of payment - even if in coma - are you going to be treated? If yes, then you have insurance and you're free-riding on the system. If no, then you're more barbaric than Reagan.
Post reply on HN