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Announcing Pipenv

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Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by kenneth_reitz »

renesd wrote: post #16
kenneth_reitz wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check out https://github.com/pypa/pipfile for more info. The format is TOML. It is mainly intended for deployments (e.g. web applications)

Thanks.

Also `pipenv install -r requirements.txt` is supported, for importing.

Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by cderwin »

This is great, but sometimes I think that python needs a new package manager from scratch instead of more tools trying to mix and mash a bunch of flawed tools together in a way that's palatable by most of us. Python packaging sucks, the whole lot of it. Maybe I'm just spoiled by rust and elixir, but setuptools, distutils, pip, ez_install, all of it is really subpar. But of course everything uses pypi and pip now, so it's not like any of it can actually be replaced. The state of package management in python makes me sad. I wish there was a good solution, but I just don't see it.

Edit: I don't mean to disparage projects like this and pipfile. Both are great efforts to bring the packaging interface in line with what's available in other languages, and might be the only way up and out of the current state of affairs.

Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by caconym_ »

I will definitely be trying this out. Python version and package management is a dumpster fire that wastes gobs of my time on the regular. I'll try anything that promises to end the pain.

Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by yeukhon »

therealmarv wrote: post #19

For people who want to do it right without using an additional tool read this: setup.py vs. requirements.txt by Donald Stufft https://caremad.io/posts/2013/07/setup-vs-requirement/

I gave up populating requirements in setup.py. I just use multiple requirements.txt. This article has been debated for years already and there is absolutely no right / wrong.

Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by uranusjr »

choxi wrote: post #5

Is this like Ruby's Bundler for Python? I've just been getting into Python and am really glad to see this, thanks for creating it!

Without some shim like bundler exec, but yeah, you can say that.

Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by sametmax »

I was really not a fan of the last "made in Reitz" project Maya. But this, I really can get along.

The whole things make it way easier to get started for a beginner. Now more activate. No more wondering about virtualenv. Automatic lock files are great since no project I know of use them since they are not well understood.

It's like node_packages (easy and obvious), but cleaner (no implicit magic).

Like.

Re: Announcing Pipenv

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Post by sametmax »

cderwin wrote: post #24

This is great, but sometimes I think that python needs a new package manager from scratch instead of more tools trying to mix and mash a bunch of flawed tools together in a way that's palatable by most of us. Python packaging sucks, the whole lot of it. Maybe I'm just spoiled by rust and elixir, but setuptools, distutils, pip, ez_install, all of it is really subpar. But of course everything uses pypi and pip now, so…

I strongly agree but this can work now and is a big improvement over what we currently have. So while I would literally pay to see somebody work on a better package manager (which can generate exe, deb and use a conf file indead of .py), this is a good filler.
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