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Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by Fnoord »

smokeyj wrote: post #19
Fnoord wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't do anything about Google though. Yes, we can! Don't use Google, or use certain settings in the applications which enhance your privacy. The default settings are not always the best settings for the user. Don't use Google Search. Use a search engine which respects your privacy such as the scraper DuckDuckGo (DDG). Don't use Gmail. Use an e-mail provider which doesn't scan through your e-mail. Where you got…

But you can't avoid google analytics..

Why not? There's loads of options. Some examples include uBlock, NoScript, /etc/hosts

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by sctb »

tritosomal wrote: post #14

In most cases, being liberal is a polite code word for being a pussy. But really, anything empathetic, humanist. Anything playing devil's advocate in favor of reason. Anything anti-paranoiac, anti-xenophobic. Anything inclusive or pluralist. Anything that means playing fair, without being zealously competitive. Anything that engages the idea that we don't need to fight, or that there's no us versus them. Anything tha…

We detached this flagged subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13404667.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by jjawssd »

Obama is ultimately responsible for trying to ram an international Internet surveillance mechanism into law (https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp) and giving the NSA a free pass to conduct mass surveillance against American citizens without a warrant. (New rules issued by the Obama administration under Executive Order 12333 will let the NSA—which collects information under that authority with little oversight, transparency, or concern for privacy—share the raw streams of communications it intercepts directly with agencies including the FBI, the DEA, and the Department of Homeland Security, according to a report today by the New York Times. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3283349-Raw-12333-su...)

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by chimeracoder »

smokeyj wrote: post #19
Fnoord wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't do anything about Google though. Yes, we can! Don't use Google, or use certain settings in the applications which enhance your privacy. The default settings are not always the best settings for the user. Don't use Google Search. Use a search engine which respects your privacy such as the scraper DuckDuckGo (DDG). Don't use Gmail. Use an e-mail provider which doesn't scan through your e-mail. Where you got…

But you can't avoid google analytics..

> But you can't avoid google analytics..

That's the easiest to avoid. Ghostery, or a simple edit to your /etc/hosts file.

The problem is that tracking is much more pervasive, and there are many more ways you can be tracked that are much harder to block than Google Analytics.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by tritosomal »

sctb wrote: post #22
tritosomal wrote: post #14

In most cases, being liberal is a polite code word for being a pussy. But really, anything empathetic, humanist. Anything playing devil's advocate in favor of reason. Anything anti-paranoiac, anti-xenophobic. Anything inclusive or pluralist. Anything that means playing fair, without being zealously competitive. Anything that engages the idea that we don't need to fight, or that there's no us versus them. Anything tha…

We detached this flagged subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13404667 .

Color me surprised.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by leesalminen »

newsat13 wrote: post #10
awqrre wrote: post #6

Meanwhile: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to Entire Intelligence Community, Just in Time for Trump [1] 1. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/13/obama-opens-nsas-vast-tr...

Yeah, I hate it when this starts out with Trump bashing. Obama is much more guilty. I am not an american, so I don't exactly understand what the term 'liberal' means. Spying on your own people without warrant? More discussion here - https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5o1ovy/with_only...

Heh, that's funny. I am American and don't understand the meaning of the terms "liberal" and "conservative" in our modern culture.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by JamieF1 »

smokeyj wrote: post #19
Fnoord wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't do anything about Google though. Yes, we can! Don't use Google, or use certain settings in the applications which enhance your privacy. The default settings are not always the best settings for the user. Don't use Google Search. Use a search engine which respects your privacy such as the scraper DuckDuckGo (DDG). Don't use Gmail. Use an e-mail provider which doesn't scan through your e-mail. Where you got…

But you can't avoid google analytics..

Doesn't ublock block requests to the likes of GA?

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by revelation »

tedunangst wrote: post #15
nullc wrote: post #13

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Why is it that you so predictably respond denying or apologizing for the government's unlawful surveillance (or, now that it has been proven, harassing people who are up in arms about it) in almost every related thread on Hacker News? To answer the question: A lie with a grain of truth is inherently much more powerful, since research will seem to confirm it. Massive surveillance allows for the construction of the mos…

1. the hair on fire alarmism over imagined issues distracts from some very real issues. 2. some of those very real issues have very real solutions, but people still cry bloody murder because those solutions don't solve every imagined problem. 3. Exaggerating the scope of the problem conveys a sense of helplessness. What purpose is served by making people needlessly afraid? There's a point at which the harm caused by…

This obsession with comparatives is pointless if we don't know the scope.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by intralizee »

I'm curious to what HN crowd thinks about a question related to all this.

People are now under the assumption that US agencies are collecting all calls, emails, anything electronic for all citizens as it's technically possible and confirmation is slowly being revealed.

If a crime was committed to a citizen, how would said citizen legally make a request for information the NSA or any agency has that would be useful as evidence. Shouldn't all citizens be able to use what is being collected in court as the government is for the people? How would a person in court go about requesting anything if the possibility exists.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Post by hartz »

Fnoord wrote: post #12
newsat13 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incorrect. Most people don't realize this. Do you consent your car to store all your location information in the cloud? What if TV started storing all things you watch in the cloud? Tomorrow, if all the car/tv manufacturers started doing this, what choice do you have? No, the option is not "do not use cars/tv". And tbh, I don't even think 80% of the population is cognizant about what is being collected and wh…

> Tomorrow, if all the car/tv manufacturers started doing this, what choice do you have? No, the option is not "do not use cars/tv" Supply & demand. If there is demand for dumb TVs and dumb cars, this supply will (eventually) be met. Vote with your wallet. Also, do not forget the second hand market for cars. This one's huge. There's still TVs and cars available which are dumb. There's still laptops available without…

If you run your own mail server, it's hard to get email deliverability to the inboxes of people who use the Big 3 (Gmail, yahoo mail, Outlook.com). This makes using these privacy-invasive email services a much easier decision
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