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Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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He's not talking about buying the homes and renovating like an investor trying to make money. He's talking about ways to make the neighborhoods more livable (and therefore more valuable) by having the cities invest in the infrastructure.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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In short: the poor neighborhoods have the most low-hanging fruits, and can be improved in obvious ways using small, low-risk investments. Affluent neighborhoods are built in a way that cannot be easily improved upon.

Affluent neighborhoods already picked the low hanging fruit.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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He's not referring investment in the sense of individuals coming in, buying houses, improving them and flipping them. > We're talking about things like putting in street trees, painting crosswalks, patching sidewalks, and making changes to zoning regulations to provide more flexibility for neighborhood businesses, accessory apartments and parking. His argument is that small civic investments in infrastructure in poor…

You're right, I reread it and it's talking about the city. I guess had never seen it argued before that a city should optimize property values(and hence taxes).

That raises the question: Property taxes increasing won't by themselves increase people's incomes. Since they aren't trying to affect jobs(per-capita income) and explicitly mentioned density is not the issue(population), then the only thing left is to change the demographics(transfer wealth in).

Investment could be meant more broadly(like education or healthcare), but he explicitly disclaims that at the start("What I'm going to present here is pure dollars and cents. "). Somehow it doesn't seem right to advocate for city policy that swaps out the existing citizens for more profitable ones, though I suppose the existing citizens do come out ahead.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Isn't the article describing the classic Gentrification move?

No, because the gentrification move would be to buy up those $50,000 dollar houses, renovate them/replace with a condo block and drive out the local residents. Gentrification comes from developers, whereas what he's describing comes from the city itself. Key quotes: "It's wealth that is shared throughout the neighborhood." -- about as anti-gentrification as you can get. "American cities can make low risk, high return…

Either way if you make the neighborhood a nice place to live more people will want to move there. The more people who want to move there the higher prices will go. The higher prices go the higher taxes and rents go. After some time the original residents can no longer afford to live there. That's gentrification.

The trick would be to apply the improvements to every poor neighborhood at the same time so you don't create winners and losers and upset the balance in the housing market, but this is basically impossible.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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There are investment groups like http://www.ohiocashflow.com that go into the rust belt and buy up homes in the poor neighborhoods, return them to being inhatible and then sell them off as turn key rental properties. With the way automation is taking jobs I wouldn't be surprised if these kinds of low income housing investments turn out to be solid cashflow producing investments.

If the people renting these are increasingly likely to be automated out of a job why do you think this would be anything but a very risky investment?

Welfare systems will keep them in a home.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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This seems tautological. Those areas are "profitable" because they are using fewer services. If you invest more there, they would no longer be "profitable" -- and increased investment may not increase future "profits." I think this essay falls down in part because it's nonsensical to use these private industry terms when discussing municipal governance. I want my city to concern itself with equity and quality of life…

This is certainly a factor with any investment, because they may only be able to effectively utilize a certain amount of assets. With that being said, I think that it is a reasonable expectation that investing into the area would inflate the values of the property in that area, which directly translates into increased tax revenue (profit). Obviously too much too quickly and you might run into the aforementioned limit of effective asset utilization, but that isn't what the author was suggesting.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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If the people renting these are increasingly likely to be automated out of a job why do you think this would be anything but a very risky investment?

Welfare systems will keep them in a home.

why didn't welfare systems keep them in a home last time?

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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> "not someone on welfare with a hidden drug problem."

whoa.

what about the person whose spouse died last year, and whose house burned down over Christmas?

^^ she's a 1st order connection, but not my tenant.

how about the aunt who's got +2 mouths to feed & house after her sister died?

^^ again, real human, facing real serious cash-flow problems.

there are so many ways to wind up in a hard way, necessitating low-cost housing.

as a student at university, I did significantly more damage to rental properties than I lost deposits to repair... intentionally. and I smoked a lot of pot.

I'm not disputing your point that most individuals in a place to afford the time and money to 'get into property' are going to want to avoid situations that represent a financial risk to them.

however, I was totally put off by the war zone characterization.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because the gentrification move would be to buy up those $50,000 dollar houses, renovate them/replace with a condo block and drive out the local residents. Gentrification comes from developers, whereas what he's describing comes from the city itself. Key quotes: "It's wealth that is shared throughout the neighborhood." -- about as anti-gentrification as you can get. "American cities can make low risk, high return…

Either way if you make the neighborhood a nice place to live more people will want to move there. The more people who want to move there the higher prices will go. The higher prices go the higher taxes and rents go. After some time the original residents can no longer afford to live there. That's gentrification. The trick would be to apply the improvements to every poor neighborhood at the same time so you don't crea…

as long as the work keeps happening, there will be more quality housing than gentry. The problem today is that only the gentry get quality housing (because they pay for it out of their income/wealth), so wherever they spend money the housing gets better.

Re: Poor Neighborhoods Make the Best Investments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because the gentrification move would be to buy up those $50,000 dollar houses, renovate them/replace with a condo block and drive out the local residents. Gentrification comes from developers, whereas what he's describing comes from the city itself. Key quotes: "It's wealth that is shared throughout the neighborhood." -- about as anti-gentrification as you can get. "American cities can make low risk, high return…

Either way if you make the neighborhood a nice place to live more people will want to move there. The more people who want to move there the higher prices will go. The higher prices go the higher taxes and rents go. After some time the original residents can no longer afford to live there. That's gentrification. The trick would be to apply the improvements to every poor neighborhood at the same time so you don't crea…

I don't think that's how the typical gentrification process goes though. I think it usually starts with developers increasing surrounding property values which attracts more affluent residents, who demand improvements from the municipality.

The difference I see here is that the developers and new residents are the ones who reap the benefits of the increased property values from gentrification, whereas if the city makes modest improvements before it's current residents are forced out by increasing prices/taxes, then the current residents reap the increased value. Even if they move because they don't want to pay taxes on higher property values, their property is still worth more when they sell it.

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